Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. More planned

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-detainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72

by MilnerRoute • 3 years ago

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bell-cot2• 3 years ago

Only "thousands"? By historical Russian standards, that's a rounding error. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag ):

Don't worry, meanwhile prisons are emptying as criminals who agree to join the military get their record cleared! Not joking, that's a recent executive order

It would be interesting to see where crime rates in Russia end up after the war (but of course UA has started to mow the invaders down pretty well so those felons are just more easy meat.)

badkmw• 3 years ago

This is some coping by MSM propaganda, lying between their bottoms. And with the advent of AI and chatgpt, this is just going to get worse!

bshipp2• 3 years ago

Unfortunately for Russians, the fact they allowed their country to invade a peaceful neighbor in an unprovoked war of aggression and then repeatedly lied about almost every facet of that invasion means that the rest of the world will likely not give them the benefit of the doubt for another 50 years, even if they magically start telling the truth right now.

bell-cot2• 3 years ago

Russians...they allowed their country to invade...

Considering that ~99.99% of Russians had neither any say in the "invade or not?" decision, nor meaningful advanced notice of the invasion...this might not be the best way to frame things.

I'd take the [cough] patriotic zeal and [snort] heroic vigor with which 99.99% of Russian citizens resisted the criminal Prigozhin's doomed coup attempt as the best evidence of their real feelings on the subject.

armitron• 3 years ago

Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians.

tryptophan• 3 years ago

Still -being a realist- hoping that ww3-concern trolls parroting russian propaganda shut up soon.

jfengel• 3 years ago

That's optimism, not realism. I wish it were otherwise, but the concern trolls will likely outlast the war.

cmurf2• 3 years ago

Aggressive war is proscribed in the UN Charter to which Russia is a signatory. It's proscribed because it leads to wider conflict including world wars, and is the supreme international crime. Russia is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and Budapest Memorandum, but they tore up those agreements too. And instead, Russia published a genocide handbook.

https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han...

All UN members have an article 51 right to collective self defense with Ukraine. This agreement came straight out of the ashes of two world wars expressly to prevent a 3rd word war.

And here you are arguing against the charter, among the many imperfect things we need to try and do better as a species. And arguing against self-defense. And arguing in favor of tyranny.

Go fuck yourself.

_kbh_• 3 years ago

Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3.

How many of your family members would you trade for your realist views?.

How many of your brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews would you happily feed into a wood chipper or allow to be raped and tortured with no consequence?.

How much of your land would you give up?.

Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians.

Russia and the USSR lost wars just like everyone else.

There’s plenty of historical precedence for them giving up and going home.

lisasays• 3 years ago

Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians.

What on earth are you talking about?

Russia has yielded a whole bunch of times of course, going way back to the Crimean War - often to countries much smaller than itself. BTW that particular war ended with the Black Sea fully demilitarized, its military and civilian institutions discredited - and 3 church bells from Sevastopol hung up in Arundel Castle, England, as trophies.

Even WW 2 probably would have gone the same way, had it not been for Lend Lease.

And now it's attempting to fight a war of aggressive occupation a country with a quarter of its population. So far it has lost 50 percent of the territory it initially sized. Just 18 months in, there's already been a mutiny which forced the current Tsar to flee Moscow.

If history is any guide, this definitely isn't going to end well for them.

Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. More planned

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