Freenet Renamed to Hyphanet

https://www.hyphanet.org/freenet-renamed-to-hyphanet.html

by stargrave • 3 years ago

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riffraff2• 3 years ago

I'm mildly surprised to discover freenet is still in development, I remember when it had just been launched, and that it was somewhat terrible to use compared to same-era p2p software, tho of course it had a much bigger vision then most (all?).

Is anyone running a node these days? What is your experience and reason?

vGPU6• 3 years ago

I’ve checked it out a few times. It suffers from the same issue that tor suffers from: half of the content is stuff that’s been booted off the internet (and for good reason), and the other half is the equivalent of “hello world” pages.

I keep hoping that one day we’ll have a true “alt-net” like mastodon and Lemmy are starting to form, but for the most part these services (freenet/tor/etc) are dead or full of unsavory or illegal material.

type0• 3 years ago

Gemini (inspired by gopher) has been this alternative web for computer enthusiasts for a while now, not a lot of content but there's no JS and no ad networks, perfect for digital neoluddites!

wkat42422• 3 years ago

Yeah that's the reason I stay away from these things. They're searching for legit usecases and while these exist for sure, they mainly descend into a cesspool that nobody wants to associate themselves with, defeating the entire purpose.

I don't have the answer but freenet isn't it.

ilaksh2• 3 years ago

Just to check, are you aware that Freenet 2 (formerly Locutus) was created by the same person and has similar goals, but is much more modern?

riffraff2• 3 years ago

yeah I learned it from this article.

ArneBab4• 3 years ago

There are around 3000 running nodes at any given moment.

I run one and Sone (social networking) and FMS (forums) are among my primary means of communication.

I use it to stream the creativecommons web series bloodspell because it is far too little known despite its awesomeness and this proves that streaming a series over Freenet / Hyphanet works.

Also Freesites these days aren’t slower than newspaper sites anymore — though part of the reason is that newspapers are crippled with advertisements and surveillance misfeatures. A well-made website on the clearnet is faster, but the typical site on Freenet / Hyphanet is no longer slower than the typical (ad-encumbered, heavy-JS-framework-loading) site on the clearnet.

As a user put it nicely: Freenet / Hyphanet: the internet that should have been.

xyzzy3000• 3 years ago

What's the canonical pronunciation of this?

vGPU6• 3 years ago

This is another demonstration of a complete disconnect between the board of FPI, and the community around Freenet. After giving up initial plans to name Locutus "Freenet 2" in the face of backlash, you and the rest of the board appear to now want still more of Freenet's brand recognition. The hope seems to be that the Freenet community, having not been consulted, and reasonably assumed to disagree, will undertake the effort to rename themselves the Freenet Classic community.

The community doesn’t seem too pleased with this.

vGPU6• 3 years ago

https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg5527...

Trouble does seem to be brewing.

ilaksh2• 3 years ago

Freenet: created by Ian Clarke in 1999

Freenet 2023: created by Ian Clarke in 2022-2023

Honestly I find it difficult to sympathize with people who get so attached to a system that they can't deal with being labeled as using the old version when the creator of that system wants to improve it 20 years later.

He has similar broad goals for the new system and I say every right to use the name. Why would people get so bent out of shape about being Freenet 1.0 and having a 2.0 exist now?

It would be different if the other developers involved with Freenet over the years had significantly modernized it or created a new paradigm, but that's not the case.

When people fail to adapt it makes me think they have cognitive limitations.

ArneBab4• 3 years ago

I remember the Gnutella vs. Gnutella 2 debacle.

That was pretty and crippled Gnutella quite badly — even though Gnutella 2 actually had similar goals as Gnutella.

That’s the historical precedent. You can learn from it and avoid such steps, or you can ignore it.

Keep in mind that Locutus does not have privacy as a goal: if it harms the original Freenet like "Gnutella 2" harmed Gnutella, then privacy on the web suffers.

ArneBab4• 3 years ago

Are you aware that besides websites the original Freenet / Hyphanet of today provides convenient media-streaming, social networking, hidden pseudonymous email, forums, and interactive chat?

That its spam-control is significantly faster than earlier thanks to improvements for a university thesis?

That it’s performance has increased a lot due to improvements in the networking layer?

QuantumG• 3 years ago

I've had some interest in these projects over the years, but few offer any means to control the kind of content your node serves. This is intentional, of course, and any suggestion otherwise is heresy. If you want some privacy enhancing network, tell me how you intend to keep it clean.

ArneBab4• 3 years ago

By moving the decision what is accessed out from the storage layer and into the communication layer which enables fully decentralized blocking.

You’re not responsible for the encrypted chunks that your node serves just like you’re not responsible for the money your ISP pays for the internet backbone.

But you are responsible for the people you recommend, so when you get information about something illegal, you are responsible to block them in your communication tool.

Freenet Renamed to Hyphanet

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