How Much Can Duolingo Teach Us?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/04/24/how-much-can-duolingo-teach-us

by malshe • 3 years ago

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Interesting point:

"Like all the teachers I spoke to, Zimotti sees Duolingo as supplemental to the kind of deep immersion that language learning requires. But, in his opinion, the time most people spend on Duolingo is time they would otherwise spend on TikTok or watching television, not learning a second language in some more optimal way."

It has got me to the point of being able to look at https://www.nachrichtenleicht.de/ and get someplace. I've had two other efforts at language that never got that far. (Granted that was mostly pre-internet so finding that sort of resource wasn't a fraction as easy.)

mistyvales2• 3 years ago

Totally agree in using it as a supplemental. It's basically the TikTok of language learning with its dopamine-based point scoring and streak building system, but I've known people who never missed a day for 3 years and still sound like a 3rd grader when they speak that language they were learning.

inspector-g• 3 years ago

I mean, it does take 3rd graders about 8 years of immersion to sound like 3rd graders…

TheCoelacanth• 3 years ago

If there were doing one lesson a day at 2 minutes per lesson, that would be about 36 hours of study total. Sounding like a third-grader seems pretty good for that amount of study.

Most estimates I've seen are more like 100+ hours to gain basic conversational proficiency.

cranky908canuck5• 3 years ago

The thing for 'sounding like (whatever)' is, a chance to practise. The thing that Duolingo does not provide is the live with real people forum. (Well it does, sort of, but it would feel like sending FB 'friend requests' to strangers.) So I'm not surprised that DL learners sound like three-year-olds, I'm actually impressed that there's the courage to speak at all. Give them a couple of beers, that might help.

cranky908canuck5• 3 years ago

A general point: not all foreign language users need to pass for locals --- or, not all foreign language use-cases require that. An extreme example (not one that Duolingo caters for) is opera singers (and singing in general): they need flawless diction, and thorough understanding of the text, syllables, and how they map to the meanings that they are singing. But they don't need to speak, read, write, or understand the language for day-to-day communication --- and there are anecdotes about being cornered in (eg) Russian, and having to 'fess up that they don't actually know how to chat in the language.

z_open• 3 years ago

There's a dozen resources you can use to learn the language and Duolingo is possibly the worst. Learning a language takes a lot of effort, especially if you're not in a country where it's spoken. Being efficient and persistent is the only way to get anywhere. Otherwise you run the risk of wasting all that time. I have to imagine the portion of people who have spend 1000+ hours learning to end up without the ability to communicate is pretty high.

I don't mean to be so dismissive but even as a supplemental resource, it's just at the bottom of the barrel.

hombre_fatal2• 3 years ago

The best tool is the one you actually use, not the ones you would like to use but never use. Duolingo fits this daily use slot in a way most apps don’t.

dzikimarian• 3 years ago

Duolingo has lessons that take 1-5 minutes. It's so small amount of time, that I feel, I literally cannot excuse not doing it every day. This is unachievable if I had to deal with less packed way of learning.

I took a few weeks long initial course to get a grasp of grammar for my third language and since then I'm using Duolingo daily, for a few hundred days now (so it costed me well under 100 hours in total).

I'm far from fluent, but able to communicate verbally, work with text and I don't forget what I learned.

If that's the bottom of the barrel, I wonder what was my public school program I had in the past (yet another language), that included many semesters of learning and left me with handful phrases.

CogitoCogito• 3 years ago

This was a nice article! I used Duolingo a lot until the latest redesign which I totally despise. It's nice to see a face behind it all (even if it's not enough to bring me back to the current version of the app).

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