Wine 8.5

https://www.winehq.org/announce/8.5

by neustradamus • 3 years ago

196 91 3 years ago

acapybara2• 3 years ago

  What's new in this release:
    - Bundled vkd3d upgraded to version 1.7.
    - Better error reporting in the IDL compiler.
    - Support for shared Wow64 Classes registry key.
    - More cleanups in IME support.
    - Support for configuring a WinRT dark theme.
    - Various bug fixes.

worldsayshi• 3 years ago

Is wine receiving patches from Valve's fork or are they completely separate at this point?

komadori• 3 years ago

AFAIK, Valve pays CodeWeavers to work on Proton, so Proton is more of a curation of Wine like CrossOver Office rather than a hard-fork.

anotherhue• 3 years ago

I assume they're free to pull in as they wish? I didn't see any proton reference in the changelog though.

giomasce3• 3 years ago

Proton developer here, working for CodeWeavers. Everything we develop goes preferentially in Wine, and is kept in Proton as a "hack" only when a solution clean enough for Wine is unfeasible or too complicated. Proton is periodically rebased onto Wine, so everything in Proton and not in Wine is additional rebasing work, which we'd like to avoid as much as possible.

steeleduncan2• 3 years ago

Thanks for all the great work. I hadn't realised Proton was developed by CodeWeavers. Out of curiosity, what is the relationship between Proton and your own product Crossover?

foxandmouse• 3 years ago

Do you think Proton could be released on Steam for macOS? This could help rejuvenate the gaming community on macOS, which is suffering due to Apple's focus on the App Store. It seems like every decision Apple makes for macOS makes it harder to support games outside of their ecosystem.

natas• 3 years ago

huge THANK YOU for the hard work on Wine, the entire community much appreciates, I'm a steam customer (400 games, no less!) and that's my humble contribution :)

note that I commonly buy all games that run on linux :)

troad• 3 years ago

I'm constantly so astonished by how well Wine works these days. I remember the first time I heard about Wine, decades ago, and thinking "yeah, right!" But by God, they pulled it off.

I would not have been able to move to Linux full-time without Wine. Thanks!

eurekin• 3 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised, if wine became a "compatibility layer" embedded into a wsl in Windows at some point

squarefoot5• 3 years ago

It is already a compatibility layer to run old windows software that Microsoft no longer supports. I use it for making music, and the number of 20+ years old VST plugins that work exceptionally well is astonishing. The only problem I encountered was some of their installers failing because they reported a negative available disk space, presumably because of a bigger new variable overflowing the older smaller one they use. Running them as a older Windows version didn't work, I suspect the only way to make them run would be to implement a WINE flag to pass the installers smaller variables with that data. Aside that, I'm amazed at how good the compatibility is.

pabs3• 3 years ago

What Windows software do you still need on Linux?

Avshalom• 3 years ago

mostly games for myself but I've also needed it for various weird programs that some professor decided we should use for some homework.

haunter• 3 years ago

Excel. Nothing comes close really

davidgerard7• 3 years ago

I use one fully open-source program (LMMS) which I've found a PITA to build reliably. But the Windows binary under WINE just works.

We have a stable binary format for Linux! It's Windows.

vetinari4• 3 years ago

Winbox (Mikrotik configuration tool). Mikrotik seems to go out of their way to make sure it is compatible with Wine.

tannhaeuser• 3 years ago

Anything 3D modeling related not covered by Blender, and software for 3D printing, just as an example.

The word "still" in your post suggests you expect F/OSS software to eventually become available for all fields of application. But that's not what I see happening; instead, there's no new desktop (as opposed to cloud) software being released at all, much less on Linux. So Wine is here to stay with us to (increasingly) run old Win software out of maintenance, and works surprisingly well. Of course, that's made possible by Win32 itself having excellent binary compatibility in the first place, as opposed to the Linux user land.

glitchc• 3 years ago

Office. And Visio.

LeBit• 3 years ago

Tax software. The most popular in my country is Windows only.

Enginerrrd• 3 years ago

AutoCAD Civil 3D would be the big non-negotiable one for me. It's a shame since I love linux but I have to use windows for work.

minimaul2• 3 years ago

Wine (and Proton by extension) is a marvel.

Runs most of my windows software with little to no issue, and is more compatible with older games than Windows 10/11 itself!

extrememacaroni• 3 years ago

Many people are still skeptical about wine and proton but in the future it will become the way to play Windows' existing game library. I always say that if you care about games preservation, you need to look at Linux & Proton. Even if a future version of wine/proton introduces some breaking changes, you can always use an older version for a particular game, much more comfortable than messing with Windows XP VMs and whatnot.

Wine and proton frontends are becoming so friendly too. Setting things up on e.g. steam deck is extremely easy, not just for wine but even for emulators (emudeck). Just click some buttons and you get everything set up for you and auto-updated.

insane_dreamer• 3 years ago

I gave up on Wine over a decade ago; I had no idea it has improved that much

szatkus• 3 years ago

When I used Wine around 20 years ago it was roullete if the application even starts. A few years ago I realized that it mostly works. Sure, some random little things could not work, some textures could be glitched, but I was confident that at least it will start. And it's constantly getting better (with some occasional regressions here and there, but it's bound to happen).

divan2• 3 years ago

What would be the best way to give another try to Wine on MacOS to get this "works so well" experience?

mrpippy• 3 years ago

CrossOver from CodeWeavers is the easiest way on macOS, you can try it free for 14 days.

(disclaimer: also a CodeWeavers employee)

heavyset_go• 3 years ago

It was good even decades ago. Wine is one of those projects that really impressed me back then and still does.

bheadmaster• 3 years ago

The fact that so many games work well with Wine is extremely impressive. I was playing Skyrim on my Linux laptop and it was a perfectly smooth experience.

buster• 3 years ago

Wine is just a great piece of software. Not just for gaming but the occasional dreaded enterprise software. I happily pay for crossover.

antibasilisk• 3 years ago

That's funny, I had a dream about running a program in WINE last night

ape4• 3 years ago

Just wondering, are there some things Wine can do that Windows can't? (Besides run on Linux)

goosedragons• 3 years ago

Yes. Run 16 bit apps on a 64 bit OS install. A lot of old PC games no longer have 3D acceleration support on modern Windows like Jedi Knight I. On Wine the 3D acceleration just works. You can get Windows to do this stuff too of course but not out of the box.

bitwize• 3 years ago

Wine's 16-bit shim, winevdm, can even be run on 64-bit Windows to make it capable of running 16-bit apps.

Labo333• 3 years ago

I have mixed experience with Wine, most of the times when I tried playing games it was close to impossible to install them. I go for Parallels Desktop those days (kudos to https://github.com/dreamncn/ParallelsDesktopCrack)

cleanchit• 3 years ago

Works way better on linux. System tray support, desktop entries, and everything.

kk6mrp• 3 years ago

What can't be run in Wine at this point?

Wine 8.5

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