UN seeks ICJ opinion on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/31/un-seeks-icj-opinion-on-israels-illegal-occupation-of-palestine

by jacooper • 4 years ago

18 24 4 years ago

Ok, a court with zero enforcement power might rule on a territorial dispute, so?

The only resolution is going to come from the disputing parties agreeing or someone with a terrible amount of power going to war. Neither is going to happen any time soon and other feeble actions don’t help.

josephcsible4• 4 years ago

In any UN vote where Canada, the US, and the UK all vote one way, and Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia all vote the other way, I know which side I support.

hackrnusr2• 4 years ago

After US invasion of Iraq, I couldn't agree more.

josephcsible4• 4 years ago

I meant I'd support the former group of countries, but it sounds like you're saying that that made you distrust the US to the point that you'd support the latter group. Is that correct? If so, does that mean that you oppose, e.g., this resolution about Ukraine? https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3994052?ln=en

demarq2• 4 years ago

It sounds like you are taking a stance based on countries you like.

Do you think it is unwise to blindly take a stance because someone else takes a stance? I mean it’s like following someone’s opinion without critical thinking right?

What is your opinion on sovereignty and occupation by force? How does that work with Russia and Ukraine and do you see any parallels with Israel and Palestine?

josephcsible4• 4 years ago

I think that once you put enough countries on both sides of your line, https://xkcd.com/1170/ starts to apply. Do you really think that all of the countries with basically good governments will vote for the wrong side of a resolution and all of the countries with evil governments will vote for the right side of the same resolution?

aliyfarah5• 4 years ago

I'm not sure whats more incredible, that the US once again votes against any resolution seeking accountability for Israel's brutal occupation of the Palestinian territories or the Western media's mute response to it, especially in light of the current conflict in Europe. What reasonable justification could there possible be to vote against the ICJ to produce an opinion? Yet the US is currently seeking to take Russia to the ICJ for its actions in Ukraine.

The US & Western governments have absolutely zero moral standing at all to criticise Russia's illegal annexations of Ukrainian territories when they themselves turn a blind eye to their allies annexation of another neighbours territory (Golan Heights, Syria). Despite there being an existing UN resolution (497) rejecting the annexation, the US under Trump has formally recognised Golan Heights as US territory in 2017! [1].

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_t...

schoolornot• 4 years ago

Wars have consequences. Syria didn't need to wage war and attack Israel from the Golan Heights. What reason is there to go back to pre-67 borders?

aliyfarah5• 4 years ago

If I understand you correctly, you’re saying if a country is attacked by another nation state, they’re entitled to seize the territories that was used to launch the attack if they win the war, like some kind of war loot?

dragonwriter3• 4 years ago

the US under Trump has formally recognised Golan Heights as US territory in 2017! [1].

No, it didn’t.

And, in any case, the Biden Administration, while simultaneously claiming it was not changing the policy under which Trump recognized Israeli control of Golan, has restated it as being that the US sees Israeli control as in Israel’s legitimate security interests given Syrian aggression and the aggressive bent of the current Syrian regime, but that a change in that situation would potentially result in a reassessment.

aliyfarah5• 4 years ago

That was a typo, I meant as Israeli territory.

That’s nonsense, international law is international law, there are no carve outs and loopholes for what US deems “legitimate security interests”. Russia used this exact same pretext to launch its war in Ukraine.

And the annexation far precedes the current regime by decades.

weatherlite2• 4 years ago

The US & Western governments have absolutely zero moral standing at all to criticise Russia's illegal annexations of Ukrainian territories when they themselves turn a blind eye to their allies annexation of another neighbours territory

Kinda like Arab/Muslim countries denying Israel's right to exist due to "apartheid" when almost all of them practice different shades of apartheid. Iran is a good example of this but really this is prevalent in the whole area.

UN seeks ICJ opinion on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine

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