Beginning May 3, 2023, U.S. travelers flying within US will need 'RealID'

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/travel/domestic-flights-real-id-passport.html

by fortran77 • 4 years ago

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whatthesmack• 4 years ago

That's what they said for the last five (or something) deadlines...

bluehorseray• 4 years ago

Hmm this sees pretty prohibitive for a lot of people. Hope it gets delayed again

more_corn• 4 years ago

Real ID is racist. It specifically prohibits people who can’t prove citizenship from traveling. It provides zero improved security and moves our country towards restrictive racist practices. I can’t believe it’s not more vigorously opposed.

amir734jj• 4 years ago

State issued ID card is not enough anymore for domestic flights because it's pretty easy to clone/copy (just google it ...). Not sure why you are trying to tie it to racism.

hakfoo2• 4 years ago

Part of the problem IMO is that there are too many designs in circulation.

Even once we filter to "Real ID compliant documents", we have 50 states + a grab bag of territories, each issuing at least a driver's license and a non-driver's identity card, possibly other variants (different formats for under-21, learner's permits, etc.), along with military and tribal issue documents. Now assume each of these will be redesigned every few years, whether it's changing the governor's signature or a full restructuring of the security features. I could see the number of valid documents-- for citizens and permanent residents alone-- easily approaching 1000 types.

There's going to be confusion and people are going to be either unfairly hassled for having a unfamiliar but valid document, let through with bogus documents, or both. If you're a TSA agent in Maine, will you correctly recognize a two-generations-old-but-still-valid identity card issued by New Mexico on the spot?

What we need is the full-on Mark of the Beast nightmare of having a federal Department of Identity. One standard document, with only a few designs in circulation. States can attach endorsements to the card number for things like driver licensing. Hell, if it's a smart card, they could probably store a signed certificate on the card itself to appease the crypto nerds.

listenallyall2• 4 years ago

With all due respect, why does anyone need to know where you are traveling? Do the authorities need to know if you have explosives in your bag? Sure. But honestly, what's with showing ID to enter an airport, or to fly domestically?

Rimintil• 4 years ago

States like Washington will issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens. The Federal government doesn't like this.

But it's in everyone's interest that people get licensed, legal status or otherwise.

systemicdanna• 4 years ago

According to this definition everything that requires a passport is racist. We need to agree on some very basic level of how we participate in a society, not to give up because a few people can't prove their citizenship. Instead of focusing on criticizing the new document type that is presumably much harder to forge, let's focus on how people can prove their citizenship.

o0-0o• 4 years ago

People without a real id that want to travel will get a real id, and by the way, this is not a requirement. You don't even NEED an ID to fly. Try in one time. Just tell them you don't have an ID with you, and they will take you into a room, and call up a phone number and ask you some questions about yourself. They know everything about you. If you answer correctly, and aren't on any lists, you'll be able to fly just fine. You won't, though, be able to go to the bar after this and have a shot of whisky. You'll definitely need an ID for that. So have your ID ready, just tell the screeners you don't have one.

ajvs• 4 years ago

What does race have to do with proving citizenship?

ratg13• 4 years ago

"American" is not a race.

Either you need a dictionary or a reality check.

silverwasthere• 4 years ago

Fuck this.

tapatio• 4 years ago

Not true, a passport will work as well.

pdappollonio• 4 years ago

If you read the article, it does state that a passport does carry a "RealID", so yes, passports are one form of it.

aestetix• 4 years ago

Making sure everyone sees this:

https://papersplease.org/wp/

As far as I'm aware, the public has still never gotten a reasonable answer as to through what legal authority the TSA demands this. Yet another loss of liberty thanks to the godforsaken "PATRIOT" Act.

yucky3• 4 years ago

So if it's racist to demand ID for voting, is not also racist to demand a RealID for flying?

dane-pgp4• 4 years ago

There is quite a bright line between "needing to spend a significant amount of money to be allowed to fly somewhere" and "needing to spend a significant amount of money to be allowed to vote".

In case you hadn't noticed, there are places in the US where the process of applying for and receiving a government-approved ID is much harder (in terms of time and money) for some groups of people than for others, and (not coincidentally) the groups most likely to be disproportionately burdened are the groups who are more likely to vote for the party in opposition to the one that introduced these rules.

yucky3• 4 years ago

Anywhere that ID is required to vote offers free options for ID. That is by law, due to poll tax restrictions, so what you're saying is not true.

Also, in states that require voter ID there are no "groups" who are under-represented, so the idea that it prevents people from voting is demonstrably false.

Beginning May 3, 2023, U.S. travelers flying within US will need 'RealID'

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