Poll: Should we rename Amber.js?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3335916

by wycats • 15 years ago

50 65 15 years ago

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ryanstout• 15 years ago

change the name: hammer.js is my suggestion.

arbales2• 15 years ago

Ah, no biggie. Go Ahead and run with Amber.js, launch your site and updates your namespaces. I doubt they'll be any toe-trampling confusion. At most there'd be one or two feathers ruffled, but we're all intelligent adults, and its totally cool to share the name. Sharing /is/ caring after all.

grayrest• 15 years ago

It'll be fine as long as you keep the beer vs gemstone distinction. ;)

bascule• 15 years ago

If you were to pick a different name to avoid overlap with Amber Smalltalk, I'd recommend substrate.js. It conveys a fundamental organizing principle in the same way "backbone" does, and best of all it starts with 's' so all the SCs all over the place will still halfway make sense.

cjfont• 15 years ago

We need to leave some namespace for all the future MVC frameworks to come =P

iotashan• 15 years ago

I would sunset SproutCore 1.0, and let the community members who want to continue development fork it & rename the fork. Then use SproutCore 2.0 for the new codebase.

steipete• 15 years ago

I just searched for "Amber" on Google, and the first 5 (!) pages didn't show me anything even remotely Smalltalk-related. I didn't looked any further. Stick with Amber.js.

cyrus_• 15 years ago

Searching for "amber js" does bring up the Amber Smalltalk project right away though.

sjce4• 15 years ago

Wrong conclusion. That means that sproutcore 2.0 is also unlikely to be visible on google. new name.

KuraFire• 15 years ago

Call it Jamboree.js !

railsjedi• 15 years ago

Depends... is Amber still affiliated with Sproutcore at all? If so, something like Sproutcore Slim would be cool

Of course, all the good names are taken: http://slim-lang.com/

wycats3• 15 years ago

Amber is not affiliated with SproutCore at all anymore.

nathanvda• 15 years ago

The name is not Amber, but Amber.js, which for me is clearly a js framework and as a whole a good, unique name. I do not think there will be a lot of confusion.

Also I do think that moving away from Sproutcore is a good choice, because when I talked with fellow rubyists about Sproutcore, I always ment Sproutcore 2.0, but this always caused confusion because people always had 1.0 in mind (it is huge, too much, ... which it is not).

sjce4• 15 years ago

You haven't taken a look at Amber, have you? It is also a javascript framework

maxdemarzi• 15 years ago

Rename it something with an Endoskeleton theme: "terminator.js" "arnold.js" "t-1000.js"

smathy• 15 years ago

You should call the 2.0 "SproutCore" and you should change the 1.0 to "SproutUI" or "SproutWidgets" or something.

ofd• 15 years ago

Although I think 'substrate' is a cool name, it's already taken in GitHub.

abhishivsaxena• 15 years ago

I think you should consult the Amber Smalltalk people

If they agree to a linkback, great. Going ahead with amber.js without their consent would be morally grey.

wycats3• 15 years ago

We emailed them immediately once we realized and they (of course) said they would prefer if we rename to something else.

Because we had been using the name publicly for so long, we decided to lay out the relevant details and ask Hacker News.

arbales2• 15 years ago

If you've been using it and its comfy, just stick with it. People will just care about the code anyway.

aviflombaum• 15 years ago

What about resin?

psteininger3• 15 years ago

That's a name of a Java App Server, not sure if the connection is desirable

JGailor• 15 years ago

When I first heard this, all I could think about was "Amber Alert".

igorgue• 15 years ago

I like Amber, SproutCore was always hard to pronounce (I'm foreign) or to talk about.

lukeholder• 15 years ago

ambert.js amberlite.js amberlin.js amberjack.js ambers.js embers.js

warthogkernel2• 15 years ago

Call it Milamber.js

Points for guessing the reference.

wycats3• 15 years ago

Guessing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pug_(fictional_character) :P

warthogkernel2• 15 years ago

Correct. =)

jlbenc• 15 years ago

Lager.js

fufulabs• 15 years ago

Name it something related to its core vision/goal/function. Anything to make products self-explanatory is always an advantage.

joshsusser• 15 years ago

How about Spore.js? It's a nice contraction of SproutCore, and doesn't sound as silly as the spoonerism KrautSpore :)

tuhtah• 15 years ago

Here are 2 naming suggestions following the cabbage theme for your inspiration: ;) Brocco.js Brussels.js

Detrus• 15 years ago

SproutCore was a nice name, Amber doesn't have the same ring to it. Maybe Sprouts? SproutFrame?

jeremychone• 15 years ago

If you rename amber, please, do not rename it brite or bright, as I have already a project with solving the same problematic (with a different approach). https://github.com/jeremychone/brite

I am going to push brite quite a bit next year.

Rajiv_N• 15 years ago

Is the SC namespace going to stay or is the code going to be refactored (ex: SC.Object becomes A.Object)? Just curious.

For the name, how about dotbind.js :)? (I LOVE SC.Binding)

pdebruic• 15 years ago

rename it to porter.js

porters are delicious beers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_%28beer%29) and porters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_%28carrier%29 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_%28railroad%29) help everyone get things done.

recusancy• 15 years ago

And porter beers usually have coffee (java) flavors.

maercsrats• 15 years ago

bikeshed.js?

There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.

-- Phil Karlton

missingm• 15 years ago

If you "feel sheepish about the whole thing" isn't the right thing to do pretty clear?

bts• 15 years ago

I think he means that they feel sheepish about not having done more research about the name "Amber" before the announcement.

Ancient• 15 years ago

suggest: Sprouts.js

jasonshell• 15 years ago

If you end up changing the name (don't think you should), how about honeycomb.js

Brings thoughts of structure, order and productivity.

geddesign• 15 years ago

How about EmberJS ? Domain name is available, it's similar to AmberJS but a little cooler.

stefri• 15 years ago

Stick with "Amber.js". Everything else would be more confusing as it is already ... and it's short! I like it :)

sjce4• 15 years ago

It is a bad name for Googleing. Just like Gemstone for another smalltalk, b.t.w.

evjan• 15 years ago

Suggestions: peach.js, honey.js and cloudberry.js

I am hungry, in case you were wondering.

sjce4• 15 years ago

Internal version codenames are not recognizable, and are not expected to be used like this (www.macosxlion.com?) With hindsight, there should have been a site at amberjs.com.

andyl• 15 years ago

Keep the amber letters, but rearrange. (an anagram) Candidates include: merba.js, ebarm.js, rabem.js, etc.

blacktiger• 15 years ago

merba.js would be kind of funny since @wycats was on the merb team.

dgeb• 15 years ago

Orbit.js

I just registered orbitjs.com but would be willing to donate it. I think the name is a good fit for a framework that aims to keep so many objects moving effortlessly around each other. Contact me (@dgeb) if you're interested.

uipoet• 15 years ago

Binder.js

ZuLuuuuuu• 15 years ago

Amber Smalltalk is a pretty popular and alive JavaScript project so I vote for renaming.

Stratego• 15 years ago

Don't just come up with a name. Find a meaning, and let a name emerge from that meaning.

What is your purpose?

x1r0• 15 years ago

Core.js

drenovac• 15 years ago

1. why not take translate.google.com and see what amber is in some other language which still sounds neat in English.

2.look through the thesaurus for suitable alternatives.

3.Or why not take something from the names of the 3 amigos who are graciously taking it upon themselves to get this great framwork and community happening.

akash8m• 15 years ago

I am an user not familiar with the software, but I think you should leave Amber to Amber Alert and use a different name.

psteininger3• 15 years ago

What about Ausum.js (pronounced awesome) Other idea: Sauce.js (you can keep the same namespace if you remove the vowels)

davej• 15 years ago

I definitely like the idea of keeping the namespace. Sauce.js sounds a bit like a utility library (i.e. underscore.js/Sugar.js) rather than an MVC framework to me though.

redtexture• 15 years ago

AmberCore.js

tiamat• 15 years ago

scamber.js

abrown28• 15 years ago

The name Amber dredges up some unfortunate memories for me :(

ricardobeat• 15 years ago

Dr. House?

psteininger3• 15 years ago

I had another idea... continuing the recent naming after tea names (Sencha, Ceylon - new Java-like language), perhaps Assam, Mate(vana) or Lampsang

neldoreth• 15 years ago

astrolabe.js - ("star-taker") an ancien navigation instrument. Good for googling and seems fairly unused in the programming world.

mrinterweb• 15 years ago

I am glad to see the naming change. SproutCore and SproutCore 2 seem to have very different goals and very different approaches. People had preconceptions of what SproutCore 2 was based on their knowledge of SproutCore. I see that Ember.js, http://emberjs.com, appears to be the final name. Ember.js is a great name and I think the rebranding makes a lot of sense.

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