Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/at-hague-hillary-rodham-clinton-urges-countries-not-to-restrict-internet.html?_r=all

by llambda • 15 years ago

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Sahebi• 15 years ago

Ok Mrs.Clinton, Please don't sell filtering and spying device to countries ;)

billybob2• 15 years ago

It's nice to know the US is trying to fight the worldwide plague of internet censorship and monitoring, DNS spoofing, and unilateral site shutdowns.

(cough cough SOPA cough cough DHS cough)

Yes sir, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search, and "innocent until proven guilty", that's how we do it in the Land of the Free.

roc2• 15 years ago

To be fair, it's not so different from the way we operate in every other situation.

e.g. championing free and fair elections and decrying other people's failures while passing a seemingly endless stream of poll-tax-esque disenfranchisement legislation here at home, in the name of combating voter fraud problems we've never actually seen manifest.

or decrying the "crony capitalism" of Taiwan and then China, while regulatory capture leaves us looking just as bad.

or decrying the income inequality in banana republics as evidence of corruption and social injustice, while deregulating and tax-cutting our way to the top of that list.

fleitz2• 15 years ago

You forgot torture, executing people with out trial, executing minors and the mentally retarded, holding political prisoners, and using the military against the populace.

cobrausn3• 15 years ago

I find it interesting that line three of your post decries regulatory capture, while line four decries deregulation. I think it points to how much of a problem we actually have - we don't want complete deregulation, but the regulations we do end up getting often end up just making it worse. It's pretty disheartening.

georgemcbay• 15 years ago

or lionizing protesters in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, etc as freedom fighters while marginalizing domestic protesters as quasi-criminal homeless hippies.

rhizome2• 15 years ago

She's just saying that other countries should not restrict the Internet more than the US does.

vegasbrianc• 15 years ago

So all countries can sieze websites without due process? Sounds fair.

eufouria• 15 years ago

Not a single mention of SOPA in the article...

CWuestefeld• 15 years ago

Of course not. SOPA is common-sense legislation designed to protect the creative people in our society. It has nothing to do with Internet restrictions or censorship. </sarcasm>

danilocampos• 15 years ago

Hope she finds time to bring that show to Washington DC.

mindstab• 15 years ago

I hope they realize how damaging their own in house legislature like SOPA is damaging to their international efforts. They already look a bit more suspect with SOPA on the table and were it ever to pass they'd have the credibility of China.

Vivtek• 15 years ago

Less. China is honest about restricting its people and doesn't try to tell everybody else they're not paying attention to human rights.

LoneWolf• 15 years ago

Meanwhile at the US.... SOPA Need I say more?

thechut• 15 years ago

It's ridiculous that there is no mention of SOPA or her thoughts on it in this article. Why would the NYT not mention it either?

ldar15• 15 years ago

I wish I could be there when the penny drops. Your face is going to be awesome.

fleitz2• 15 years ago

Great news, I guess this means that Wikileaks will be free to receive donations and disseminate news of interest to citizens.

At least now we know the real reasons the US wants to restrict internet access, it's not copyright as we had long suspected but to "threaten basic freedoms and human rights and also international commerce and the free flow of information."

clevername• 15 years ago

Oh the hypocrisy.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/09/hillary_clinton_and_internet...

MikeGrace• 15 years ago

Yes. The hypocrisy has me questioning her authenticity. Has she had a change of heart or is she just playing a game to increase popularity and gain votes?

buff-a• 15 years ago

She made this exact same speech before wikileaks (January 2010) [1]. She's making this exact same speech after wikileaks. The hymn sheet doesn't change. [2] By standing up and demanding that other countries behave morally she suggests that we make this demand because we do. Do you think Pinochet did not stand and make these same speeches? Or Hu Jintao? Or Saddam Hussein? Or Thatcher? Or Assad?

Are you imagining she would stand up and tell the truth? Have you been paying attention? If you were to ask her, would she say that flying military aircraft into our airspace would be an act of war, even as we fly ours into Iran's? The list is endless.

This is all theater.

[1] http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/01/21/internet_fr...

[2] http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

adharmad• 15 years ago

Moral Relativism is nothing new.

Reminds me of the quote by Orwell: All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by 'our' side.

ajays• 15 years ago

The USG has always been a big follower of the "do as we say, not as we do" paradigm.

RexRollman• 15 years ago

I think my irony meter just hit 11.

electic• 15 years ago

NYT sucks for not mentioning SOPA. #FAIL.

xer0• 15 years ago

I think we have a House to put in order first.

tomlin• 15 years ago

She added: “There isn’t an economic Internet and a social Internet and a political Internet. There’s just the Internet.”

She should have said, "It's the Internet, stupid."

goodweeds• 15 years ago

This from a woman whose husband signed the DMCA into law.

einhverfr• 15 years ago

"THE HAGUE — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and other international leaders urged countries and private businesses on Thursday to fight increasing efforts to restrict access to the Internet by repressive governments and even some democratic ones. "

Some democratic ones.... like the United States and Australia, right?

Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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