Book Review: 1587, a Year of No Significance

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by Michelangelo11 • 4 years ago

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codetrotter• 4 years ago

Apparently this blog (Astral Codex Ten) is the successor to Slate Star Codex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Star_Codex

cato_the_elder• 4 years ago

With the improvement that the new name is a more proper anagram of "Scott Alexander". The old name was almost an anagram of "Scott S Alexander", with the blemish of missing an N. [1]

[1] https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/02/12/youre-probably-wonderi...

mrec• 4 years ago

Although for some reason its RSS feed seems to get consistently ignored by my reader (Feedreader). Never had that problem with SSC.

ilamont• 4 years ago

In the late 1980s while at college, this wonderful book was assigned as part of a history of dynastic China, which followed a reliable pattern for thousands of years: strong founder (often a military leader), establishment of an imperial and military bureaucracy capable of managing crises and expansion, then ossification and failure owing to weak leadership and various internal and external threats.

While the model of a weak/incompetent emperor late in the dynasty was well known, few studies attempted to answer the why as Huang did with his book. He told it as a very readable and interesting story and struggle of personality amidst a backdrop of intrigue and crises.

It’s actually unfair to call the Wanli emperor incompetent; as Huang so beautifully illustrated in his book, he was a product and victim of the system. He protested in one of the few ways he could: doing nothing. By withdrawing from his responsibility, he created a vacuum which other forces were able to take advantage of, hastening the decline of the Ming dynasty.

I still have my copy of 1587, and re-read it every 5 or 10 years. If you can’t find or don’t have time for the book, check out the excellent film Fall of Ming (大明劫) set later in the dynasty.

jmeister• 4 years ago

Here is that pattern in meme form:

Hard times create strong men.

Strong men create autocratic dynasties.

Autocratic dynasties create supernumerary bureaucracies.

Supernumerary bureaucracies create eunuch castes.

Eunuch castes create drama.

Drama creates Heavenly displeasure.

Heavenly displeasure creates hard times.

https://twitter.com/thocpodcast/status/1471276360106582016

Tomte• 4 years ago

Also see https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...

hamiltonians• 4 years ago

can someone tldr what made this year special or why this year was chosen

j4nt4b• 4 years ago

It's in the title - nothing special happens in this year. It is just another year in the late Ming dynasty, still a long way off from its eventual demise. But the author uses this moment as a springboard to describe what the principals did in the past and what they would end up doing in the future.

RcouF1uZ4gsC• 4 years ago

Reading this reminds me of Faulkner’s line: "The past is never dead. It's not even past"

The Ming was heavily influenced by the Han Empire which was more than a thousand years in the past.

Even today, there seems to be a current of rejection of the 20th century (and even before) and a strong push for something before that.

Xi in China seems more like a Ming Grand Secretary, than really anything Communist.

Modi in India calls forth the Hindu Empires of the Middle Ages and before than he does Nehru or Gandhi.

Erodogan is more Ottoman in outlook than Kemalist

Putin can best be understood through a Tsarist lens and his perception of himself as another Peter the Great.

Even the right wing in the US looks back more to Medieval European state sponsored Christianity than the Enlightenment influence of the US founding.

mistrial9• 4 years ago

yeah - I like this one.. but for another angle, sometimes a military will go to war despite its people, not for them. Corollary - military leaders have to ride their own ranks, which can look overly aggressive, foolish, inept or scared from the outside, since all the talks are war council secret within.

keepquestioning• 4 years ago

How does this book compare to Guns, Germs and Steel?

whoisburbansky• 4 years ago

What makes you think they are related?

incanus77• 4 years ago

They’re both made of paper, right?

JackFr• 4 years ago

The descriptions of the childe empower in the Forbidden City and scheming civil servants remind me very much of “Titus Groan” and “Gormenghast”. I need to check this book out.

meq1986• 4 years ago

Chineses version ，万历十五年，very famous in China. I recommend anther book called Macro History of China, also written by Huang.

bodhiandphysics2• 4 years ago

No significance!! 1587 is the year Kit Marlowe wrote Tamerlane and Thomas Kyd wrote The Spanish Tragedy. Those two plays revolutionized English drama and started off the Elizabethan literary renaissance.

galleywest200• 4 years ago

Your response made me laugh, but the book is actually more narrow than the post title suggests

1587, A Year of No Significance: The Ming Dynasty in Decline

bodhiandphysics2• 4 years ago

I know... I know...

sam_lowry_• 4 years ago

Reminds me of 1185 by Ihor Mozheiko that is still waiting for an English translation.

cafard• 4 years ago

Fascinating.

wenbin• 4 years ago

One of my most favorite book.

The author, Ray Huang, got his bachelor’s degree in USA at age 36.

Apocryphon• 4 years ago

Funnily enough, I first heard of this book from the late John J. Reilly, who wrote among other things, what a future world government might look like:

The function of emperors is to read their mail. That, at least, is the conclusion reached by Fergus Millar is his exhaustive study, "The Emperor in the Roman World." Most of the time, emperors waited for problems to come to them. They answered queries from their governors and they sat as the court of last resort in certain legal disputes. They answered a remarkable number of written petitions from private persons, even from slaves. However, except in extraordinary situations, and those mostly concerned military emergencies, they did not plan vast reforming "programs" for their reigns. They scarcely had "policies." Their policy was to keep the great barge of empire floating along with as little disruption as possible. They could act decisively to aid or punish individuals, even whole cities, but their capacity to affect life in the empire as a whole was limited.
Something like this also seems to have been true in China, to judge from Ray Huang's snapshot history of the Ming Dynasty, "1587: A Year of No Significance." In that case, the right of petition was rather more limited. It extended to local magistrates, who did not hesitate to pepper the imperial secretariat with memorials containing their bright ideas. The emperor exercised "government" by writing "approved" on the memorials he like or "acknowledged" on the ones he didn't. Except for a few large, continuing government functions, such as guarding the northern frontier and maintaining the dikes on the Yangtsee, that was the extent of administrative control that the central government would exert itself to exercise.

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Book Review: 1587, a Year of No Significance

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