Personal Branding Without Being a Douche

http://www.jasonshen.com/2011/ive-heard-great-things-about-you-a-nondouchey-guide-to-personal-branding-and-self-promotion/

by jasonshen • 15 years ago

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bmahmood• 15 years ago

Very true: "You have to stand up for yourself and sometimes that means being a bit more aggressive than you normally are. This is the way of the world."

georgieporgie2• 15 years ago

Isn't this "100 pushups" and "cold showers" guy? Um...

llambda• 15 years ago

No that's the author of 100-Hour Body (definitely not my opinion of worthwhile literature), right? But I think I understand why you'd have that impression. This kind of "personal branding" definitely has a similar taste to that kind of ethos. Although I don't think it's fair to necessarily opine on this particular blog post, there's nothing abjectly wrong with it, by the same token it does seem a little off for HN. Still, if your goal is to build a brand so that you can sustain yourself, maybe it's not such a bad thing. Approach is definitely important though...

Edit: apologies, the author of this article and the referenced are one in the same, according to the author. My mistake!

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Haha - thanks for the edit. Also, I think you're trying to refer to Tim Ferriss -- but his book is called "The 4 Hour Body". Definitely sounds a bit less taxing than 100 hrs. =)

kristofferR• 15 years ago

Yeah, it is. So? Why would doing personal experiments to improve yourself be a negative for personal branding?

Some of his experiments may be considered silly by some people, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is working on becoming the best version of himself he can be - an admirable mission everyone should strive to have, but few unfortunately do.

I don't know Jason, but he seems like a really cool guy with a lot of drive, dreams and ambition.

georgieporgie2• 15 years ago

Cold showers aren't self improvement. It's the most contrived and limited form of self-punishment I can think of. Much of the developing world showers this way all the time.

Promoting pectoral-shortening exercises among an audience of people who a) largely do not understand how to exercise their bodies in a balanced way and b) spend most of their days hunched or slouching in front of a computer, is not self-improvement. It's sophomoric bragging, and it's irresponsible.

How can I put this? Everything he uses to self-promote seems like he set a goal which sounds impressive (e.g. "100 pushups"), but actually requires a fairly short period of commitment to achieve. It's as if he's molding his entire life for SEO, blog hits, and self-promotion, rather than achievement and improvement. To me, that's douchey.

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Yeah that's me. =) Do you have any thoughts on those posts?

edash• 15 years ago

Kudos, you've managed to demonstrate Jason's final slide perfectly.

logjam• 15 years ago

"My blog is my public face to the world and if I post something horribly offensive here, my brand goes with it."

Friendly advice: folks might be more inclined to take your advice and your "brand" as something actually post-adolescent if your public face to the world consisted of choices of words other than your odd, repeated use of variants of the word "douche" in your writing and in the headline you self-posted here on HN....not amusing and actually offensive to many women and men.

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Thanks for the advice. I recognize that not everyone will jive with my style or choice of words, but similar to Zach Holman's use of swear words, I chose to pick the word that I feel works best.

I think most people are familiar with the term "douche" or "douchebag" and that it's usage is similar to "bastard" -- very far removed from the original meaning. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone but like I mention with the case study of Amit - it's pretty much impossible to please everyone.

pamelafox• 15 years ago

There's actually an entire podcast on "Savage Love" dedicated to the subject of whether "douchebag" is offensive to women. Many women called in and said that since douching has been discovered to be harmful to the vagina, it's good that douchebag is used as an insult, because it reinforces that douching is a bad thing, hopefully discouraging women from partaking in it.

Doesn't mean that people won't be offended by it still, but an interesting way to think about it.

davesims4• 15 years ago

Interesting -- this goes straight to some concerns I had about Zach's whole 'brand' and 'persona' response to the (overblown) controversy on swearing. I agree with most of what Jason says here.

But I still have an issue with the notion of my character and reputation being tied to the language of 'brand'. I think it cedes too much ground to the encroachment of marketing into some of the essential parts of human interaction, reducing what we present and edit of ourselves to mere marketing.

Contrast with _why. Here's a guy who clearly edited himself in a radical way, created a persona, built a following, but it would be hard for me to see _why as a 'brand', because the content of his persona was focused on creativity and his contributions to the community, not his marketability.

I totally get that we're all always editing ourselves to present a certain point of view of who we are, from the profile pics we use on Twitter/FB/LinkedIn, to the style we use in our tweets, speeches, presentations, etc. -- it's impossible to eliminate that from our interactions publicly and online.

But do we have to concede that much ground to the business side of things that we call it "branding"? I hope we have different ways of tying our public selves to a kind of integrity that goes beyond the ethics of commerce, to something deeper.

Commerce is such a powerful force in our everyday lives anyway, can we find a broader language to describe this process than something that tends to reduce us to products?

aristidb• 15 years ago

So what you're asking for is not to use the emotionally cold language of marketing, and use the warmer language of traditional human interaction instead? Perhaps not a bad idea.

davesims4• 15 years ago

Yeah I'll buy that.

...oops

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Thanks for the thoughts.

I used the word "personal branding" mostly because it is the established term that covers what I'm talking about. But I agree with your point in that it sort of turns people into products.

I guess a larger point I should have made in the blog post and that I did in the talk is this:

Your name has a meaning to people, even if you choose to not think about it. Recognizing that what people think / feel when considering "you" is something I want to encourage. Shaping your reputation/brand/name into something positive and making it a useful tool for achieving your goals is, IMO, a worthwhile endeavor.

davesims4• 15 years ago

Hi Jason, thanks for responding. I liked your post, and I appreciate that you didn't coin the term -- 'personal branding' has been around a long time.

But the idea of 'Public Rhetoric' has been around far longer, and that's what we're really talking about -- the connection between what I present in public speech or other forum, to a truth about myself -- the 'ethos' of rhetoric.

It's an ancient problem, and the concern I have with propagating the language of 'branding' is that it pulls it too close to the ethics of Mad Men for my taste. There are other ways to, ahem, spin this I think.

The intent of our public rhetoric should be more than just commerce or marketability, as you demonstrate with the charity you started at Stanford.

But I see a problem with the language of 'branding' so close to the idea of 'charity.' It raises a question of ethos -- why are you doing this? For self-promotion or for some other human good?

Of course this has always been a problem, and language can always be used to obscure our true motives. But declaring something as 'branding' outright seems to me to subtly give too much license to our more selfish intents. I'd rather we still talk about Speech or Rhetoric or Reputation than Branding, if for no other reason than it at least creates some distance between commerce and altruism.

And now I've taken this conversation into Aristotelian waters way outside my pay grade...

kd1220• 15 years ago

Zach really doesn't push the envelope with his posts. He's enthusiastic and outspoken, but at the same time very green. I can't hold it against him. Time will temper his views. (Disclosure: He's an alum.)

However, I think someone like Sachin Agarwal would benefit from reading this and taking it to heart. Sachin's recent post, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3218607, came off as douchey. What I took from that post is that Sachin used his self-proclaimed fanboy relationship with Apple for gain. The tone of the post was slightly cocky and speciously reverent.

Branding is important and it's increasingly difficult to avoid it as our lives become more public through technology. Consciously putting effort into presenting yourself in a good light isn't something that's automatic; it requires practice. If you put too much effort into it, then you might come off as a sleazy used car salesman. Focus on what you do and how you do it and the branding will emerge effortlessly and naturally. You won't be a product that way; you'll be a process (or a platform, as Jason puts it).

It's typically not my style to call out specific individuals and make examples of them. Sachin's post didn't make an explicit reference to his persona, but I thought it was useful for the discussion. Both Zach and Sachin have appeared on the front page several times. I think they can handle the criticism - positive or negative.

tycho77• 15 years ago

The throwaway paragraph about fashion holds much truth, I have found. I decided a year ago to learn how that stuff works. I can't even begin to list the benefits that come with it - it isn't only women that like you more, but men are more likely to take you seriously if you aren't walking around in jeans and a t shirt.

Here's a good site to get started:

http://www.magnificentbastard.com/

Lots of good advice, I agree with most of it. A more important step is to head to a high-end clothing store, the type that sticks a salesperson on everyone who walks through the door. Yes, the clothing is expensive, but in conjunction with the professional advice it is very much worth it.

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Hey tycho77 - welcome to HN and thanks for the tip. This site looks really useful.

billpatrianakos2• 15 years ago

I second that. I've been wanting to start dressing better and this site looks awesome. It's not out of vanity, it's out of necessity and the side effects. It really is true that if you dress well, you feel well, and people just plain take you more seriously.

njharman• 15 years ago

Calling it personal branding instead of reputation is high douchebaggery.

gxs• 15 years ago

I'm not one to lunge personal insults around - but is it bad that when I read the title "Personal Branding Without Being a Douche", the first site I thought of that could use help in this department is the site below?

sebastianmarshall.com

Then again, I did think of it, so maybe they're doing something right.

klbarry• 15 years ago

I adore SM's brand - it's quite refreshing to me, and possibly the only blog I read every single new post of.

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

I'm actually friends with Sebastian. But before we knew each other personally, definitely admired his blog from afar. His style is not for everyone, but I think his content is really really good.

joelrunyon• 15 years ago

I was at DefragCon the other day and James Altucher had a quote based on his experience with personal branding.

"Anytime you hear someone say 'Personal Branding' it means 'I'm going to lie to you and steal all your money'"

I thought it was pretty spot on based on my experiences with all the people that are so gung-ho about the buzzwords. :)

jasonshen10• 15 years ago

Thanks for the love Joel... =)

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