Are You Ready to Be Surveilled Like a Sex Worker?

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Gunax3• 4 years ago

Nonsense. There was no stage-setting.

I think it's unfortunate that one can write for Wired, yet not even mention that the word 'privacy' does not appear in the constitution. Again, the media does a poor job of educating the public, and conveniently avoids inconvenient facts.

It's perfectly reasonable to want to have or add a right to privacy --but then the author should simply write that. No need to make this tenuous connection to FOSTA.

lovich2• 4 years ago

If we’re talking about inconvienent facts being ignored in regards to whether the right to privacy is in the constitution then we need to bring up the text of the 9th amendment, no?

dontcare0072• 4 years ago

Just abiding by the 9th would eliminate a lot of the Federal gov bloat we are currently experiencing.

helpfulclippy• 4 years ago

I don’t know how it set the stage for Roe, but EARN IT is a privacy-demolishing act that absolutely builds on the model proven out by FOSTA/SESTA. F/S did nothing to meaningfully address sex trafficking, and that doesn’t seem to disappoint its authors. Instead, we just see more shackles being put on free expression and privacy, and more government sponsorship of criminal monopolies.

Nasrudith• 4 years ago

FOSTA requires you to play police and report. How is that not privacy related?

As for the Constitution and privacy, does nobody remember the Tenth Ammendment? The enumeration of rights was not exhaustive and never meant to be. To give a satirically extreme example there is no right against being flayed alive but that doesn't mean a law perscribing flaying everyone alive, not as a punishment would be constitutional! The Third Ammendment in spirit was also basically about privacy. Taxation is legal so it wasn't merely about lost rents, and also applied to houses. In times of war requiring you to let soldiers borrow your barn to keep out of the rain would be technically valid by the plain text.

The whole "not listed" argument also forgets the natural rights epistemological doctrine or conceit that all rights are pre-existing for there to be a violation of them, and something greater than the law. This helps to define the law itself as potentially wrong and serve as a call to action.

dontcare0072• 4 years ago

8th Amendment.

OkayPhysicist• 4 years ago

The fourth amendment is pretty broad. It is not at all an unreasonable reading of it to say Americans have an enumerated rate to privacy.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Combine that with the fact that the precedent up until very recently took that reading, and it's not at all incorrect to argue that Americans have a constitutional right to privacy. What is digital surveillance, but a search of one's papers? It's not a police search, but the constitution predates modern policing, lending credence to the most general reading possible.

MomoXenosaga• 4 years ago

The Supreme Court is basically an extension of the Republican party now. The fourth amendment is only as broad as it is interpreted by the nine ring wraiths of Justice.

Gunax3• 4 years ago

Yea so I thibk that's a readonable argument. And I recognize this is a news article, and not like... constitutional law discussion.

But I think the real origin of this article is: the author is upset about FOSTA, a view I happen to share. But it's out of the news cycle. So he draws a tenuous connection to a current event, making it both relevant again, and stirring some telelogical history.

But the recent decisions are not really based on FOSTA, and as far as I can tell there was no legal precedent set by these acts that had anything to do with the recent decisions.

coldtea2• 4 years ago

yet not even mention that the word 'privacy' does not appear in the constitution

As if the constitution is some God-given artifact, that should dictate all legal matters in perpetuity, and anything not thought by some long dead guys in 18th century is not relevant to a modern society?

ShivShankaran• 4 years ago

It's funny how Americans (and plenty of other groups) cling on to a thousand year old book written by some goat herders as absolute truth. Things change and even in span of few years what's true becomes a lie

mrguyorama• 4 years ago

A document that those self same guys said must be changed as the times changed. They felt so strongly about this fact that they went out of their way to write at least ten amendments before the document was even finished.

vanattab• 4 years ago

It has nothing to due with God or dead guys who lived in the 18th century. And yes it should govern all relevant legal matters in perpetuity unless replaced or amended through the constitutional process. I am sick of certain progressives who think it's OK to undermie constitution and other institutions because it's "hard" to do things through the democratically decided avenues. The constitution is a living document that should change over time but it should change as a result of constitutional convention process not through "creative" interpretations. There absolutely should be constitutional amenent(s) protecting abortion, digital privacy, etc.. so let's put them in there!

Gunax3• 4 years ago

It's not God given, but it is the law. The problem with having unwritten rules is that we don't know what they are.

Do we have a right to free association? A right to body integrity? A right to death?

I would be very careful about conjuring up rights.

quantified2• 4 years ago

According to that reading of the constitution, nothing outside of someone's legally owned property is private, so mass surveillance of all of your communications, and a full central and secret police dossier on everything about you, are fully constitutional. Just saying.

bryanrasmussen2• 4 years ago

I'm pretty sure your papers and effects would cover any communications you might have taken part in.

seanhunter• 4 years ago

Wired isn't responsible for or concerned with educating people about the US constitution. Here's how they describe themselves:

"WIRED is where tomorrow is realized. It is the essential source of information and ideas that make sense of a world in constant transformation. The WIRED conversation illuminates how technology is changing every aspect of our lives—from culture to business, science to design. The breakthroughs and innovations that we uncover lead to new ways of thinking, new connections, and new industries." [1]

[1] Bottom of the page https://www.wired.com

kurupt2132• 4 years ago

I don’t like how everyone is blaming the Supreme Court for actually functioning. There is no constitutional right to abortion. They created it out of thin air in Roe V Wade, and it’s been corrected here. This pushes the regulation back to a disfunctional legislature. Focus on their failings.

This could be the turning point in society putting up with a congress that constantly abdicates its responsibility to legislate…responsibly.

RandomUser45672• 4 years ago

Women have a constitutional right to their body. Men like you are the problem.

ETH_start2• 4 years ago

The Income Tax Act already abolished the right to privacy.

stevenicr• 4 years ago

The title made me wonder if they were going to include the new Houston TX ordinance that requires 360 surveillance of sexually oriented businesses with video data retained for 30 days and made available to city / cops at the drop of a dime, and no warrant required.

although the record all the things rule also includes: The rules apply to all Houston bars, convenience stores, game rooms, nightclubs, or sexually-oriented businesses.

https://reason.com/2022/04/21/houston-says-businesses-must-i...

How can this even happen?

MerelyMortal• 4 years ago

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