Diveintohtml5 lives

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by jonathantneal • 15 years ago

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diveintohtml5.info

scorpion0324• 15 years ago

This was a project Mark worked on his employer's time. Thats why it is different.

stephth6• 15 years ago

Different from what? What do you mean?

I'm super confused. A couple hours ago the two top stories were about mark pilgrim having done what looked like an info suicide. I came back here to check on that and the stories are nowhere to be seen on the first two pages of HN. What happened?

skrebbel• 15 years ago

Looks like someone at HN stopped an attention whore from attention whoring too much. Censorship, yes, but nice censorship.

Luyt2• 15 years ago

Mark is fine.

See update on http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/10/04/searching-for-m...

Previous HN threads:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073798

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3073842

scorpion0324• 15 years ago

Mark pulled down his twitter account, his blog, diveintopython and diveintopython3.

All of these is his own content developed in his own time, and he has every right to pull it down, if he so deems fit, whatever reasons for that. And he has.

Yet, diveintohtml5 lives on. The reason for it is that, it was something he wrote in his employers time who are at least part owners of it.

I hold high respect for Mark and for his wishes to pull down anything his. I am just recognizing the qualitative difference between diveintohtml5 and other projects that he pulled.

benatkin• 15 years ago

There's this, too: http://diveintohtml5.ep.io/

vibragiel2• 15 years ago

Did anyone manage to fork Dive Into HTML5's mercurial repository at hg.diveintohtml5.org recently? I had started translating the book to Spanish and now I'm left stranded!

vibragiel2• 15 years ago

Answering myself: https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintohtml5

etherealG2• 15 years ago

google maps key error on http://diveintohtml5.info/detect.html

jonathantneal• 15 years ago

Fixed. Thanks.

etherealG2• 15 years ago

no problem :)

munim• 15 years ago

I am sorry, but I was out of the loop. What exactly happened to the original site?

masklinn• 15 years ago

The author did a variant of the _Why: took down his online presence, deleted the online accounts he could and changed the configuration of his sites to return "410 Gone" on requests.

FlowerPower• 15 years ago

Why ?

RexRollman• 15 years ago

That's a real shame. I enjoyed reading his blog, especially during his transition to Linux.

jrockway2• 15 years ago

So Mark deletes this from the Internet, and a bunch of other people put it back up? For people that were concerned enough about him to send the police to his house a few hours ago, it seems weird that they are now saying "fuck the author's wishes" and putting it back online.

I guess if there isn't enough Internet Drama, we have to make our own? Can we go back to whining about node.js? At least I found that mildly funny...

nl• 15 years ago

I have mixed feelings about this.

I agree it is good that someone had the good taste to bury the HN stories.

But DiveInto* is good content, and the internet needs more content like it.

Gormo• 15 years ago

Being concerned about the author's well-being doesn't imply that one ought to 'respect his wishes' with regard to a CC-licensed work that many other people rely upon as a productive resource.

Mark has produced some exceptional reference works and released them under an open license. They certainly ought not be removed from existence on anyone's personal whim, original author or not, no matter how much we sympathize with his situation, whatever that might be.

alanstorm• 15 years ago

Put another way, republishing an otherwise unavailable CC-licensed/open-source-licensed work is explicitly respecting the author's wishes, the author that published it under that license.

I doubt (but obviously don't know) Mark wanted to excise his work from human memory, he just didn't want the personal responsibility of maintaining those resources/participating in their development as a leader. That's the wish worth respecting.

mattdeboard• 15 years ago

Not to be a dick but pretty sure it's well-recognized as an infallible truth that once you put something on the Internet, it's in the world forever. It is never gone, no matter what you want.

I'm sure Mr. Pilgrim is well aware of this fact.

smackfu2• 15 years ago

Shows one downside of digital publishing, where the author can just throw a fit and delete all their good content. If it was on books, they couldn't do a thing.

ceejayoz• 15 years ago

It also shows an upside of digital publishing, where others can restore the useful content the same day if it was published under a CC license.

sophacles• 15 years ago

Actually, by releasing the content under a CC license, the author clearly chose to have this exact phenomenon happen. He may no longer wish to host the books himself, which is reasonable and acceptable -- but since the CC license allows republishing, this behavior by others is also reasonable and acceptable. The only drama being made by this action is by wonks like you who ignore the basic facts of sharing based licensing to cop some sort of bs superior attitude.

ajpiano• 15 years ago

I like the idea that 'the people' who called the police and 'the people' who got diveintohtml5.info up and running are obviously the same people, cause they like, use the internet and stuff.

mcantor• 15 years ago

Dude, it was CC licensed.

Just because he took down his copy doesn't mean he wanted it to disappear completely. Where did he explicitly state that? Nowhere! You're making a big leap there.

Scorpil2• 15 years ago

I'm not very educated in all this legal stuff, so i have few questions regarded license of this book. First: does license CC-BY-3.0 allow me to download this book for free, make any changes to format or content of the book, including downloading to my Kindle? Amazon sells O'reilly version for kindle for 15.49$, and i can't find 'mobi' version at any legal sources, so is it ok if i make one myself? And if i will, is it ok to share it with everyone?

Secondly, as i understand, there is no problems with translating the book to any language and then sharing it for free with everyone?

onli• 15 years ago

why not? The license permits you to do what you want with it, as long as you attribute the original author.

Scorpil2• 15 years ago

I was expecting that, but wasn't completely sure about it. Thanks.

guzzul• 15 years ago

feedparser.org is also down.

joeshaw• 15 years ago

The Google code project is still there: https://code.google.com/p/feedparser/

And the software is still in PyPi: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/feedparser/

smackfu2• 15 years ago

The moral of all this is that if you want to disappear silently, you should disappear silently. Silently on the internet does not mean deleting your content. It means leaving it there.

inkel• 15 years ago

Amen to that. Specially if all your content was open source.

dguaraglia• 15 years ago

Indeed. If anything, I consider his move a little douchey. At least he should have put the tarballs for his open-source content somewhere and said "there guys, figure it out". Looks more like throwing a tantrum.

centeno• 15 years ago

This was not unexpected. Several years ago there was an enigmatic post in his blog, a comparison with David Salinger author of The Catcher in the Rye, after publishing that book Salinger disappeared from public presence and hide from any form of popularity. The best friend of Mark died from drug consumption not long ago, and he was really disappointed about that. One time Mark said that all his activity in the web was of no use for getting a good friend. He think that you can have only one friend that survive you, and that friend is not here ...

No wonder people imagine strange things happening when someone decide to disappear in the web.

soapdog• 15 years ago

I just discovered that those resources were down. Is there any mirror of dive into python available? A good friend wants to learn python and that was a terrific resource.

I wish Mark all the best. I know what is to loose a good friend. Still what he created was beautiful and those resources are too good to vanish.

cycojesus• 15 years ago

if you mean the one about python 2 I have it ( diveintopython-html-5.4.zip ), I'll gladly upload it somewhere. The python3 one is @ https://github.com/diveintomark/diveintopython3

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