What job hunting has been like as a 2020 graduate so far

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by Dracophoenix • 5 years ago

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tboyd472• 5 years ago

Insights I found in the comments section:

...I went two years looking for a job. Eventually they stop looking at your apps because of how long your work gap is. It's like just fucking hire me so I do not have a gap but no...
...Often good applicants don't make it through the HR algorithms step. Knowing people at the company goes around that process and/or greatly increases the likelihood that your application (out of maybe hundreds) actually gets the attention of the hiring manager who doesn't really want to deal with the pile of apps...
...A lot of times too, large companies will let HR policy dictate their hiring too. So HR will dictate what goes in the job requirements...
...Many employers only post job opportunities as a courtesy, and generally already have someone to fill the position internally. Many employers also leave job postings on search sites for months after they’ve already been filled. This all alludes to there being a “workers market” when in reality, there isn’t...

ksec• 5 years ago

They have been the norm for a long time. Not sure what is new here.

tboyd472• 5 years ago

Not new, but it's even more crucial to find a way to fix this.

vanusa• 5 years ago

This doesn't look right.

A 0.12 percent response rate strongly suggests that they're basically spamming these places, without checking for even approximate skill fit or experience level.

The ghosting rate is sadly typical, though.

primax2• 5 years ago

So many problems here.

They admit that they don't like coding as a data analyst, and they haven't worked on their resume. If they can't muster enthusiasm for the basics no wonder they aren't interviewing well.

It would be easy to reach out to friends, their University or even publically online for help in that time.

And they have applied to 1.2 jobs a day for the first two years. That is basically nothing. They should set a goal to apply for 10-30 jobs a day. If you're job hunting, that is your job.

Once I was unemployed for 4 months and in the first two I was applying for a couple of jobs a day and getting nowhere. Ramping it up to 30 worked really well, and this was in 2015 in the DevOps market, in Melbourne Australia. It just takes the tiniest bit of hustle.

elipsey• 5 years ago

Applying for 20-30 jobs a day seems like a lot to me (US, dev), so I'm curious if the process is different for you somehow in ways I can’t figure out. I think it would be hard to find an open position, figure out whether I'm qualified, edit my resume to target the role, write a mission/personal statement, and or cover letter, depending on which are required, fill out the various forms etc. fast enough for that to be possible.

I have been advised that employers notice when candidates are spamming their resume without making a visible effort to demonstrate that they have studied the particular company offering the position, and that they are particularly well qualified for, and enthusiastic about, _this_ position, and understand and meet it's particular requirements. I have been taught to expect a very low response rate otherwise.

Also, even if I could work that fast, it would be hard to find that many positions to apply for in any limited geographic area, so by implication I would probably need to be willing to relocate to absolutely anywhere, sight unseen and alone.

I would not have time to consider or prepare for any code screening or technical interviewing in the particular tooling required, so I would feel like I would setting myself up to YOLO the interviews.

It's hard to imagine myself realistically keeping this up for weeks at a time, while also handling any interviews or prep, which in combination I would expect to need to spend 10's of hours on per interview.

Honestly, I would really like to know if my views or assumptions are incorrect, and whether I'm being too lazy, too perfectionistic, or too pessimistic?

primax2• 5 years ago

Replying to quoted sections below:

This is correct however it is not a game-ender. I believe that the gains from many applications vs few, tailored applications are worth it.

In my view a hiring process should be interactive on both sides. By making me put sizeable effort into every application, it hurts my ability to apply for more jobs and address more opportunities.

I would not have time to consider or prepare for any code screening or technical interviewing in the particular tooling required, so I would feel like I would setting myself up to YOLO the interviews.

Here is about communications and time management - you can tell them that you're current doing work for another interview and expect to be free in 2 days (for instance). In reality however, you will be ghosted by the vast majority of places you apply to.

If you're not employed, treating applying and preparing as your job is highly effective.

What do you do prepping when you spend 10s of hours per interview? I spent 30 minutes researching the company, tops.

My view is that you are being -far- too perfectionist, and you might be using that as an excuse to be lazy. What area of the world are you in? It sounds like the US.

WhisperingShiba• 5 years ago

I graduated 2020 and its been rough. I've just been programming and working stupid jobs. Lots of free time for creative projects, and I feel like an open source software God, so I won't say there is no upside to graduating 2020.

What job hunting has been like as a 2020 graduate so far

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