Sometimes The Bad Guys Win

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by stravid • 15 years ago

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pavel_lishin2• 15 years ago

That's probably the most terrifying thing I've ever read.

dethstarr• 15 years ago

That is pretty scary.

Swizec• 15 years ago

And people think I'm weird for refusing to be in a Real Relationship (tm).

... or publishing my home address/real name online.

The world is full of crazy people.

bradleyland• 15 years ago

This is the guy's brother doing all this. Being in "virtual hiding" isn't going to stop this kind of thing.

jarin• 15 years ago

Not to be the guy who takes it there, but religion isn't always just a harmless quirk (if you consider a willful disregard for facts a harmless quirk).

potatolicious3• 15 years ago

Religion is an excuse and a justification. I'm willing to bet that if you removed religion from this situation this guy would be just as crazy.

Cultural and religious homogeneity I'm much more afraid of - it's the magic sauce that breeds this form of ignorance and insanity.

zaphar2• 15 years ago

Believing a "Scientist" isn't always harmless either. History is full of people who used this or that pseudoscience to justify their actions. People do stupid, harmful, hateful things to other people. What they use to justify it has little bearing on their likelihood of doing it. Religion is an often used scapegoat but just about anything can be a scapegoat for anyone so religion isn't special in that regard.

(full disclosure: I'm a devout christian myself and what she describes is just about as anti-christian as you can get.)

(Edit: spelling and grammar)

(Edit2: In case the above was misunderstood the anti-christrian behaviour was on the part of Anthony the brother and those who joined him. Not on the part of Dave or the Articles author)

true_religion• 15 years ago

I don't see anything anti-christian about this. Can you please elaborate?

kristofferR• 15 years ago

I agree that a lot of bad and crazy people try to justify their actions based on religion. However, that doesn't mean that religion isn't harmful in itself.

Tens of millions of people have died due to purely religious beliefs. I won't go into history (way too much to cover there), but even today people are driven into death because of religion. Thousands of people are suffering and eventually dying in Africa because the Catolic church has led them to believe that use of condoms are immoral. People are killed because they have the wrong religion. Even in America, a lot of people are shunned and/or driven to suicide due to either being gay or atheist.

BTW, I'm getting sick of the "he's not a Christian because he's not good"-trend. Being a Christian has nothing to do with what you do, it has to do with what you believe. You're a Christian if you professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

VladRussian2• 15 years ago

>Believing a "Scientist" isn't always harmless either. History is full of people who used this or that pseudoscience to justify their actions

a "Science" that requires believing is by definition not a science, it is a religion.

ellyagg• 15 years ago

I'm atheist, but I always find this claim silly and self-serving to judgmental atheists/anti-religion folks. The religious mumbo jumbo is a rationalization. This man is sick and broken. People aren't made perfect and occasionally some of us don't work right.

Moreover, I think it's been established that the reasons people give for decisions are generally rationalizations, and the decision itself was made beforehand through incompletely understood mechanisms.

lukevdp• 15 years ago

That's crazy. As I was reading it, I thought it was a joke or a publicity stunt it's so crazy

davorak• 15 years ago

Unfortunatly these kinds of events are untirely too common and unnoticed.

DanielBMarkham2• 15 years ago

Anthony is mentally ill. This is what restraining orders are made for.

potatolicious3• 15 years ago

A restraining order wouldn't prevent him from slandering him on a website and otherwise ruining his life from afar.

DanielBMarkham2• 15 years ago

IANAL, but I believe the process is 1) restraining order, 2) contempt, 3) civil suit, 4) injunction

This should allow you to cross the state jurisdiction bounds. Also with the civil suit you could start talking about taking away his property. That has a tendency to get people's attention.

Perhaps an attorney can weigh in. As I understand it, there is legal recourse available. But it'll take several months, and I don't offer that as a solution. She asked what to do instead of wait it out, and taking legal action of her own is the first thing I would do, even if I had to file the papers myself.

VladRussian2• 15 years ago

the problem isn't Anthony, or at least he isn't the biggest problem here. The main problem is that there are people who would listen to and act (for example by doing or not doing business with the victim) upon the Internet gossip. It doesn't really matter whether Dave and the author had or didn't have the affair - even if they had it would be their private life that is of no concern to anybody else.

pavel_lishin2• 15 years ago

I would say that a man who's repeatedly threatening to murder you is definitely a big fucking problem. I'd rather have my reputation ruined than be murdered by a guy who hears voices telling him divorce is bad.

gabaix• 15 years ago

"At midnight www.letterstodavenavarro.com will launch with all the SEO force I can muster." I searched for "dave navarro", and could not find the site in the first 100 results. There's a famous "dave navarro" that takes most of the results. So I am not sure Dave's reputation did get that much trouble.

steve8918• 15 years ago

This is terrible.

If I were Dave, I would post on a website "Please forgive my brother Anthony. He is mentally ill and unfortunately given the current laws, there is nothing I can do to help him."

tzs• 15 years ago

> No, I can’t sue anybody because nothing that has been done publicly is in violation of any enforceable law

I'm not specifically familiar with Canadian law, but isn't its legal system descended from and greatly influences by English common law (well, except for Quebec)? There should be a few common law tort causes of action that would work here.

parfe• 15 years ago

http://letterstodavenavarro.com/ MeanSite1

http://saltydroid.info/naomi-dunfords-death-threats-and-hate.... (This is MeanSite2)

http://saltydroid.info/letter-to-two-dave-navarros/ more background

I stand behind my comment from the original post here. Her account was fictionalised to the point of not being recognisable. The other side of the story could have be its own fiction for all I care, but this isn't about a strong successful woman. It's about some fundie religious guy stalking his brother to prevent a divorce caused by allegedly falling into the "internet marketing lifestyle" that MeanSite2 rallies against.

Internet drama is a great way to relax at night.

Edit: And after upon further reflection this Dave Navarro fellow didn't like his life and found a new family unit online, which includes our heroine. Not agreeing with the fundie's methods (which do seem psychotic) but it does seem this guy ditched his family for the fast and furious world of internet marketing.

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