EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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by hprotagonist • 5 years ago

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davydog187• 5 years ago

I wish I had time to watch! Will these be recorded?

erk__• 5 years ago

I think it will all be possible to access on their youtube at least https://www.youtube.com/c/EmacsConf

hprotagonist2• 5 years ago

All talks are prerecorded and will be uploaded after the conference to the conference website. curl or mpv them later at your leisure!

y7• 5 years ago

Here is a list of all the talks, with videos of the ones that have finished: https://emacsconf.org/2021/schedule/

earthscienceman• 5 years ago

Was there not, at some point, a disagreement among the emacs developers about how this conference was being managed?

As an aside, emacs has so much potential, I'm so glad the community continues to thrive. I use emacs exclusively for science data analysis and consistently impress my colleagues with how quickly things can be accomplished. If rough edges were polished in some of the python corners there could easily be an emacs renaissance in academia, a la nicolas rougier et al.

For just how popular python is in science now, the workflows are abysmal at best. 2 out of 3 of my colleagues won't touch it because Anaconda makes no sense, a command line work flow is too obtuse, and Matlab for all its disgusting nature is at least "natural" to work with as an environment in some sense. Which makes me sad. I have dreams that emacs makes that more approachable.

Folcon• 5 years ago

This is interesting, I had the impression that notebooks were crossing this gap, are there specific command line issues that are a big bottleneck? Is it just better dependency management that's the big command line problem for example?

taeric7• 5 years ago

Notebooks are abysmal when it comes to state management. And that includes state of data access, as well as state of dependencies.

plafl• 5 years ago

In any complex field, say data science or software development, any newcomer perceives the solutions to problems they still don't have as unnecessary complexity. So for example the whole idea of dependency management, environments or version control will get in their way. Because it's not yet their problem. They are solving simpler problems: how I run this simple script (or with Emacs, say, undo this change, etc...). In that regard Matlab excels at making it easy for newcomers and harder later.

We need gradual complexity, but I think it's very hard to design. It needs knowledge + didactic capability.

Mikeb853• 5 years ago

Honestly I've never understood Python for data analysis. R and Matlab have way better environments. R Studio is quite possibly the best environment I've ever used, in any language. Even creating C++ modules with Rcpp is easy. Julia is also getting there with a lot of natural advantages over R, Matlab or Python. I just don't get why anyone uses Python in this domain.

smitty1e2• 5 years ago

Python proper is terrible for analyzing data at scale.

It's the numpy, scipy, jupyter tools, as well as Anaconda, that make the sale.

Too, it's not just the analysis, but the extract/transform/load (ETL) beforehand. Python's general purpose wealth of tools had me transforming the FCC antenna coverage .zip[1] to shapefile and parking it in a spatialite file for QGIS in a relative jiffy.

Doubtless I could do all that in Julia or R, but I get to hone my python-fu at the office doing cloud stuff by day--another argument in favor of the general-purpose tool.

[1] ftp://ftp.fcc.gov/pub/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_service_contour_data/FM_service_contour_current.zip

harha• 5 years ago

Not having access to a good R environment at work is one big reason.

At the company I work at there’s a pypi mirror with quite recent packages and it works out of the box - for R there’s only an ancient version and some hacks to get it to work with juptyer notebooks.

auxym• 5 years ago

Matlab is awful at being a general-purpose language, anything that isn't wrangling matrices. Strings, paths, networking, etc are all really painful compared to Python or Julia.

brnt• 5 years ago

Matlab was what came before Python. I do not ever want to go back. Sure, the Python ecosystem has its issues and Matlab has an IDE that is refined, but at least Python does have that ecosystem, all Matlab has is a shiny proprietary cage and littlr in the way of a cose sharing culture. Python being a proper language lets you break into other things, hookup completely unrelated code (and languages). All that's a giant pain in Matlab.

natrys2• 5 years ago

I have been a happy R + ESS (Emacs Speaks Statistics) user for a while now. I think ESS also supports python, I have no personal experience with that though. But I can agree that whenever I am forced to use Jupyter notebooks, it feel awfully unergonomic in comparison.

clircle• 5 years ago

Strongly Agree! ESS is an incredible environment for statistical work, but I don't think it supports Python. There is some minimal support for Julia, but it's not quite as well supported as R.

ashton314• 5 years ago

Just came here to plug Nicolas Rougier. He’s got some fantastic and very pretty-looking Emacs packages. He’s got good ideas of where Emacs should be in terms of usability in my opinion.

https://github.com/rougier

Mikeb853• 5 years ago

Nice to know the Emacs community is as active as ever. It's a great extensible environment.

chaoz_• 5 years ago

I might ask a dumb questions - but why is this conf not streamed on Twitch? It could help acquire new audience.

BeetleB2• 5 years ago

Is Twitch "free"?

taeric7• 5 years ago

Even if not, you could probably get donations to put quite a few of these up there. Seems a really good idea.

seanw444• 5 years ago

To BeetleB's point, Emacs is free and open source software. I'm sure they wouldn't want to use a non free and open source network/streaming service to deliver the video.

josteink• 5 years ago

I fully agree with that.

But I’d appreciate it they streamed in formats I could play on my iPhone.

Does anyone have a direct video-link I can pass to VLC?

Buttons840• 5 years ago

Because nobody has restreamed it there yet.

amichail3• 5 years ago

Isn't it time for everyone to move on to TeXmacs, not only for WYSIWYG editing of scientific/math documents, but also for note taking and even programming?

convolvatron2• 5 years ago

ok. that looks interesting. will try, do you think there are any downsides in trying to use this as a general purpose programming environment?

edit: whoa - you mean I can't use normal emacs cursor movement? no thanks, emacs for me is all about no menus and no modality.

Koshkin• 5 years ago

TeXmacs is amazing but has been staying in a relative obscurity for some reason. It could be a great tool for the so-called literal programming. (Curiously, TeXmacs has little to do with TeX or emacs.)

alex_smart• 5 years ago

TeXmacs for programming?!

Jtsummers2• 5 years ago

If you do literate programming or work with a REPL, sure.

https://www.nongnu.org/fangle/examples/hello-world.pdf

ravi-delia• 5 years ago

Is it? First time I've ever heard of it, although looking at it I must say I am intrigued. What would you say are its main positive features?

amichail3• 5 years ago

It's currently an amazing way to write math/science documents in a truly WYSIWYG editor.

false-mirror• 5 years ago

What would the incentive be for a current emacs user? It's hard to imagine giving up org-mode would ever be worthwhile personally.

Jtsummers2• 5 years ago

Yeah. I liked it when I used it, but it's not actually an emacs replacement in a general sense. There's a much smaller community and set of extensions (plug-ins in their term, packages in emacs). It was pleasant to use as a notebook front-end with Maxima and Octave when I used them.

amichail3• 5 years ago

Maybe someone could write a WYSIWYG org-mode for TeXmacs.

b3morales• 5 years ago

The Kindle talk sounds interesting: https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/dashboard/ I have a an older Kindle hanging around that I'd be happy to get some new life out of with a little hacking.

robertbmenke• 5 years ago

I love the emacs philosophy. Doom emacs with evil mode is a gorgeous experience. However, once LSP and a few plugins are running it's just too slow to use. I hope one day we'll have a multi-threaded version of emacs that can compete with VSCode, JetBrains, and Xcode.

7kay• 5 years ago

Do you use the native-comp branch of emacs? This probably doesn't make any difference when it comes to multithreading but it should make the experience a bit more smooth.

enbugger• 5 years ago

Is there VIM conf?

travisbhartwell• 5 years ago

There was a Vim conference last month: https://www.vimconf.live

EmacsConf 2021 – Live Now

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