ToughSF: Anti-Orbit Laser Submarines

http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2017/10/anti-orbit-laser-submarines.html

by tomaskafka • 5 years ago

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PaulHoule2• 5 years ago

The article doesn't point out that it's very easy to shoot down satellites in low earth orbit with a projectile weapon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT

You only need to pop up to 300 miles, hang in space for a moment, and let the satellite crash into you.

Trying to shoot down a satellite in high orbit (say a GPS or geosynchronous satellite) takes a lot more energy, in some cases more energy than it takes to get to LEO.

It also gets it wrong that orbital spacecraft would have free maneuvering. Making big changes in an orbit takes a similar amount of impulse as it takes to get into orbit to begin with. Ion drives, solar sails, and such things get much better specific impulse than conventional rockets but they all have low acceleration which will be unacceptable for wartime use close to Earth. Nuclear Thermal Rockets perform a little better but not that much better.

There is an old Heinlein quote to the effect that once you are in orbit everything is easy. It just isn't true:

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/10/02/there-are-no-g...

gene-h• 5 years ago

The article directly mentions missiles and point out that it requires less delta V to deorbit a missile than to launch a missile on suborbital or orbital trajectories.

gwern2• 5 years ago

You only need to pop up to 300 miles, hang in space for a moment, and let the satellite crash into you.

In the article's scenario, that's 300 miles and an indefinite timespan where you're being continuously burned by a megawatt to gigawatt-class laser that can penetrate meters-of-amor per second.

PaulHoule2• 5 years ago

An ASAT weapon is pretty small. It can be launched from a small platform like a fighter jet and produces nowhere near as much light and heat as an orbital rocket or an ICBM.

Most likely it hits you before you know what hit you.

sbierwagen• 5 years ago

The article is about attacking far-future science-fictional manned military spacecraft.

For a speculative article like this, spacecraft drive serving a story narrative will need to move human-scale payloads (hundreds or thousands of tons) in human-scale timespans. (Weeks, not years) Therefore, gravities of acceleration, and buckets of delta V. Trajectories planned by pointing at a screen and saying "go there", not waiting six months for the right rocks to line up to give you a gravity assist.

Fusion or antimatter rockets, not contemporary technology.

killingtime74• 5 years ago

You don’t think a force capable of interstellar travel can destroy something under a few hundred meters of water?

ToughSF: Anti-Orbit Laser Submarines

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