What psychology says about Covid non-compliers

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/07/30/what-psychology-says-about-covid-non-compliers.html

by rualca • 5 years ago

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peakaboo3• 5 years ago

Covid non-compliers....

If you are going to force vaccinate the entire planet with an experimental vaccine, against people's will, you bet that people will not comply. They shouldn't.

Go read r/CovidVaccinated for hundreds, if not thousands of people who has extreme side effects from that vaccine.

We have no information about the long term effects of it either. Could be infertility, could be cancer, anything. Will take years to find out.

Us non-compliers will wait.

rualca• 5 years ago

If you are going to force vaccinate the entire planet with an experimental vaccine (...)

Which vaccine do you believe is experimental?

If you familiarize yourselft with a vaccine's standard clinical trials and approval process, you'll learn that all major vaccines being rolled out finished all their clinical trials last year.

Recommended reading:

* https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

* https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

* https://www.ajmc.com/view/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-dev...

peytn• 5 years ago

I don’t think that’s true? I work in biotech and I’ve seen presentations that mention ongoing DART testing in passing. I don’t know the actual status.

I found this trial as well: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04754594

bellyfullofbac3• 5 years ago

We have no information about the long term effects of it either. Could be infertility, could be cancer, anything. Will take years to find out.

So... what are the long term effects of Covid? Could be infertility, could be cancer.

patrick4513• 5 years ago

Do any of the other coronaviruses we've known about for a long time do such things?

Lammy• 5 years ago

echo "Alarmingly, the non-compliant group were more likely than the compliant group to […] exercise their right to freedom" >> ~/zeitgeist.txt

Zababa3• 5 years ago

We talked about this last night with my family, and found out that most people that don't want to get vaccinated that we know were people not affected by the second lockdown (in France) because they didn't follow the rules. I understand why some people don't want to get vaccinated, but on the other hand I feel like they're just exploiting the part of the population that's compliant. I wish there was a way to easily divided everyone, like "this city is for non-compliers, and this one is for compliers". I'm starting a new job soon and I'd like to be able to go to work normally. I don't want to be under a lockdown again because some people can't stop themselves from partying, don't want to get the vaccine and don't want to follow the rules. I guess this is just another prisonner's dilemma.

peakaboo3• 5 years ago

For me it'd not about partying. It's about keeping my body healthy and not injecting it with chemicals and risking long term damage for the rest of my life. I don't believe the vaccine is better than my natural antibodies at fighting covid. I also believe most of us already had covid and we have antibodies already.

Also, you are saying that you value avoiding a lockdown more than letting people on the planet decide what goes into their bodies. I can't agree with that. If we don't have freedom to decide that, we are nothing. Just resources to be exploited.

Zababa3• 5 years ago

Also, you are saying that you value avoiding a lockdown more than letting people on the planet decide what goes into their bodies.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I value avoiding a lockdown more than personally not getting a vaccine. I wish people that think like me could go our own way, and people that think like you could go their own way.

I don't like how every discussion about the vaccine is turning into a "us vs them". You're free to decide whatever you do with the vaccine, I think that's a fundamental right. On the other hand, I'd like the situation to return to normal one day. But not bad enough to force people to vaccinate.

jleyank• 5 years ago

You know the vaccine trains you to make antibodies against COVID so they’re there when you need them, right? This should keep you out of hospital and hopefully reduce the risk of long COVID. It helps society as a whole by removing a naive host from the environment - remove enough hosts and the virus declines. Coupled with masking, it will reduce the chance of spreading COVID if infected, although delta might require a few days of isolation as well. It’s far safer than getting the virus into your system.

If you still do not wish to be vaccinated then at least follow the masking and other steps required to protect others. Get tested if you think you’re infected and isolate until it passes. Otherwise, if this too is something you’re not interested in doing, then you’re just a narcissist or worse. Too many people have suffered from COVID to fool around any more.

Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2425/

SideburnsOfDoom3• 5 years ago

I don't believe the vaccine is better than my natural antibodies at fighting covid.

For the benefit of people reading this, this view is _not_ supported by evidence. The fact is that vaccines give you stronger protection than a bout of COVID, and against more variants.

"Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity"

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/why-covid-19-vaccine...

"Why a vaccine can provide better immunity than an actual infection"

https://theconversation.com/why-a-vaccine-can-provide-better...

"The evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants ... compared to antibodies acquired from an infection."

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/06/22/how-immunity-genera...

mrtesthah• 5 years ago

not injecting it with chemicals and risking long term damage

Straight bullshit.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...

I also believe most of us already had covid and we have antibodies already.

Your beliefs mean nothing without evidence.

euroderf• 5 years ago

When stupid people willfully do stupid stuff, it's a fun parlor game to question their psychological health. In other words, it's typically not cool to pose that question. But w.r.t. vaccination it's beyond fair to do so.

mrkramer6• 5 years ago

"They're less open to new ideas, and more extroverted and driven by self-interests." This is something like Karl Marx describing capitalism and entrepreneurs. It's wrong.

I'm against mandatory vaccination and I am open to new ideas, I'm introvert and I'm not driven by self-interests in fact I'm driven by interests of all stakeholders.

So the article's statement is completely wrong.

Edit: Endless lockdowns are more devastating for poor and lower class people. Middle class and rich people will always find their way around.

Funny enough while ago when I watched a documentary about Italian Mafia researchers said that even criminals understand that so called FUD (Fear, uncertainty, and doubt) is only hurting their business because society can't function like that and they decided to end endless wars, conflicts and violence in order to minimize civil unrest and make people feel happy and safe again.

aaron-santos3• 5 years ago

Honest question, do you think you're about average in the population of those who are against mandatory vaccination?

mrkramer6• 5 years ago

Probably I'm not but all the people that I know who are not willing to vaccinate do not fear COVID and all the people that I know who are vaccinated fear COVID.

I think just like UK government said it is your personal responsibility to protect yourself, your family and your friends, government is here after all to step in and help you with health care and legal protection and assistance if necessary.

Barrin922• 5 years ago

The article's statement is completely wrong because you, in your own self-perception, deviate from a demographic observation? Honestly your post gives me the impression the article is right.

Also as a side-note, while Marx diagnosis of capitalism is controversial, a lot of Communists were actual admirers of entrepreneurs, Stalin used to describe the essence of Leninism as "the combination of the Russian revolutionary sweep with American efficiency"

mrkramer6• 5 years ago

And how is "American efficiency" achieved? Through free market economy and entrepreneurship. Soviet Union had neither of those; they had corporations owned by state and forced collectivization of agricultural goods. 5 year plan was modus operandi of Soviet Union not market forces or as Adam Smith would say "invisible hand".

bamboozled2• 5 years ago

We're living in different times because of the way we receive and curate data as an individual.

Before social media, you'd watch the news, radio etc with your family, people in your community and workplace, as a group it probably made sense to agree to getting vaccinated.

In 2021 its "my choice", to not do x and to y.

In 2021 people come primed to a discussion or a decision with a huge artillery of "facts" they've spent time being recommended by algorithms.

This seems to be unique and unparalleled in history.

Fjolsvith• 5 years ago

Huh. Why didn't social media step up and feed a huge artillery of "facts" to encourage people to do the "right" thing and get the vaccine jab?

bamboozled2• 5 years ago

For some people it did, and for some people it didn't ?

Likely based on their past browsing experience ?

SideburnsOfDoom3• 5 years ago

Why didn't social media step up and feed a huge artillery of "facts" to encourage people to do the "right" thing and get the vaccine jab?

Would that have been profitable for them in all cases? If it wasn't, then they didn't.

it's not just the effort of "step up", which I have seen on social media. It's the effort to suppress disinformation, which although we have seen some, a lot more gets through. I haven't seen much antivax stuff, but that's because the algorithms know me. You have to understand how much of the "on social media" experience is tailored to you, and how much YMMV. And how it's driven by engagement for profit, not by "stepping up" to do the right thing.

e.g. Youtube radicalisation:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/08/technology/yo...

https://theconversation.com/youtubes-algorithms-might-radica...

doggodaddo78• 5 years ago

How it would've worked in the 1930's: Mandatory vaccines by social forces. No vaccine, get shunned and shut-out of stores, social gatherings, and commerce. No comfort animals or religious dodges. Do what's right, not because of a Rand Paul grandstanding tantrum or tribal conspiracy theories about freedumbs, but because of common sense and scientific evidence.

What psychology says about Covid non-compliers

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