Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/v791-pour-samuel-paty/

by speedgoose • 6 years ago

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hrktb• 6 years ago

I didn't know it was such an engaged project, a lot of their releases have a message:

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/

spidersouris• 6 years ago

The founder of the project even said once that he didn't want anyone voting for the National Front to use his piece of software.

koheripbal6• 6 years ago

Makes me wonder if he's considered putting anything in the code to prevent it... Perhaps someone should test a few racist phrases with wireshark on?

breakfastduck11• 6 years ago

I really, really wish I could run this program natively on macOS.

Previously I had a windows computer for work (though I am a mac user generally) and this is the only thing I miss since I managed to get a mac for work.

I know there are plenty of text editors available but Notepad++ just ticks all the right boxes for a simple text editor.

Edit: CrossOver for mac (fancy version of wine) is way cheap than I thought (30 quid), so I've bought that. Hello Notepad++ :)

fredsted• 6 years ago

I'm happy with TextMate. Has a lot more features than Notepad++, too.

bob1122• 6 years ago

I don’t think I’ve ever quite fully appreciated N++‘a array of features.

What features do you find really help your workflow and how do you find it compares to Sublime Text in that regard?

pjmlp• 6 years ago

Given that Notepad++ has several extension mechanisms, what features are you actually missing?

jacobush2• 6 years ago

Wine?

edit: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/373851/how-to-get-...

breakfastduck11• 6 years ago

As far as I'm aware Wine doesn't run on Catalina.

EDIT: Had no idea Crossover was so cheap. Purchased!

pulse73• 6 years ago

Maybe the author doesn't want to "steal" the 30% of the Apple's future Mac AppStore revenue...

breakfastduck11• 6 years ago

There isn't and never has been a limitation on installing mac apps from the internet.

zeroimpl• 6 years ago

30% of free is still free.

newfie_bullet• 6 years ago

Agreed. I've got VSCode and Textmate installed on my Mac but I guess my earlier years of Windows experience and Notepad++ being ubiquitous on all my machines and servers have set it as the baseline for my text editing experience. Only thing I found it wasn't great at was really big files - had to find specialized tools for those but other than that it was great (nice to see lots of active development still!)

mxuribe• 6 years ago

I hear ya!

While i'm more of a linux user - not a mac user - for personal computing, i used to use notepad++ for years and years on windows machines that were issued to me at my day jobs. However, for the last few months i've been using Geany [https://www.geany.org/], based on many positive comments i had read elswhere that it comes closest to notepad++. So, I'm running Geany on my work machine (windows), and any/all of my personal linux machines. While Geany is amazing, it is not as good as notepad++ (in only a few small ways); though it really does comes the closest that i've seen compared to other text editors. Plus, it runs natively across windows, linux, and mac! I have no wish to persuade you to switch if you've already found a notepad++ alternative. But, if it helps you, i've grown to really love geany. And, as much as i still love notepad++, i yanked out notepad++ from my work windows machine and only run geany. I do this because i now have a consistent, unified experience (for my text editor) regardless of the OS, which is important to me. So, again, not trying to persuade, but if you haven't, give Geany a look-see. Good luck!

EDIT: I failed to add that...i've heard folks suggest running some sort of emulation layer or maybe Wine on linux in order to run notepad++...but for me, needing to run some extra layer for a text editor just didn't sit right with me. YMMV

Despacito20192• 6 years ago

I used to be like you but I started to (wo)man up and read the emacs tutorial with the fantastic doom-emacs and now I can get myself around with Emacs and do OK with it!

(on a second thought I do miss n-pp)

breakfastduck11• 6 years ago

There are so many things on feature parity, but the button layout and general jist of np++ is just perfect.

If I could run a swiftUI style np++ with the buttons in exactly the same places & exact feature parity it'd be a dream.

satysin• 6 years ago

For those out of the loop - Samuel Paty was a middle-school teacher in [redacted] who was murdered in the October 16 terror attack in [redacted].

More information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty

harperlee• 6 years ago

He was targeted, and beheaded, for showing Mohammed drawings on class (above it sounds like “a victim”, not the victim).

willis936• 6 years ago

By what metric was Samuel not the victim? Is it against the law in France to share offensive religious imagery? Is the legal punishment beheading by vigilante?

acqq5• 6 years ago

For a broader context, 16 years earlier something very similar happened in the Netherlands:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Theo_van_...

“The murderer Mohammed Bouyeri, an Islamic extremist, killed van Gogh. The reason for murdering Gogh was to oppose the controversial film which criticised Islam: “Submission”. Bouyeri shot and stabbed van Gogh, then cut his throat. Finally the killer attached a 5 letter page to van Gogh's chest with a knife.“

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm

“Bouyeri had told the court he had acted out of religious conviction. Clutching a copy of the Koran, he said that "the law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah and the prophet"”

What was in the letter: it “threatened Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She had written the script for Van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticised the treatment of women under Islam.”

(Completely unrelated to that event, the killed artist’s great-great uncle was Vincent van Gogh.)

ekianjo• 6 years ago

Murdered is a light way of putting it.

NiceWayToDoIT2• 6 years ago

I have been using n++ more than 10 years, and just now I've noticed that each release has some social or political message.

cblconfederate2• 6 years ago

Didn't vim use to have a message too? i dont see it now

rozab• 6 years ago

It only pops up sometimes:

             Help poor children in Uganda!
    type   :help iccf<Enter>       for information

b3n• 6 years ago

Vim is Charityware, see `:help iccf`.

moritonal• 6 years ago

Do you not remmember when it automatically typed "Je suis charlie"?

That was an interesting version, because afterwards the dev was hacked by people who disagreed with his message. He then had to face the fact people who endorsed what he saw as terrorism used his open-source product.

"I will always find a way to distribute Notepad++ “Je suis Charlie” edition - that’s my freedom of expression which I claim as my right."

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/npp-site-hacked-cos-je-su...

NiceWayToDoIT2• 6 years ago

That is the weird part, my brain has filter out everything after number. So, now I am somewhat amazed.

nakedshorts• 6 years ago

For those momentarily confused as I was, in English the title would be Notepad++ 7.9.1 – for (in memory of) Samuel Paty

jmt_• 6 years ago

Thanks, I had no idea what 'pour' meant in this context

speedgoose3• 6 years ago

I considered translating the title but the other Notepad releases have their titles in English so I guessed that the author considered important to have a French title on this one.

burgerquizz• 6 years ago

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party)

Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

cblconfederate2• 6 years ago

I don't care if I lose users and I want you to know your Notepad ++ is written by an immigrant, and it pisses you off.

einpoklum• 6 years ago

Well, all of humanity are immigrants to some extent: From Africa where the early primates lived to all the other continents. It's just a question of when we've arrived...

acqq5• 6 years ago

Absolutely not wanting to diminish the success of Notepad++ among its user base, I'd still like to mention that Notepad++ is a Windows only editor, where the main functionality is actually provided by the multiplatform editor engine called Scintilla, written by Neil Hodgson, and published since 1999 under a very permissive BSD-like license. The first version of Notepad++ was published in 2003.

Neil Hodgson also maintains the multiplatform editor called SciTE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SciTE

which uses the same engine, and which, from my perspective, has some important advantages over the Notepad++ (it's multiplatform, and, for me, more "hacker oriented" and more "hackable" (e.g. having Lua as its scripting engine)).

Edit: regarding the "UX" mentioned in the responses -- the configuration of SciTE is performed by editing text files, whereas the configuration of Notepad++ is done by the dialogs. That's exactly why I consider SciTE more "hacker oriented". I've also mentioned the integration of Lua in SciTE. That's the UX that, for better or worse, matched my needs. I've never claimed that SciTE has "better dialogs" or something like that. Regarding "more LOC" claim, I claim that Scintilla is very carefully written, and that the LOC aren't the reflection of unnecessary abstractions, but correspond to the real non-trivial problems solved by the code. Whoever disagree should should demonstrate where the LOC could be reduced.

moron4hire3• 6 years ago

Scintilla only provides the textarea control that can perform syntax highlighting. It doesn't include any of the application or options interfaces: menu bar, toolbar, tabs, settings, themes, etc. Your post makes it sound like Notepad++ is "just" a thin wrapper around Scintilla. But there is a lot more that goes into any text editor than just the bit that does the syntax highlighting.

However, not to detract from Scintilla. It's a great project and has bindings in lots of languages[0]. I've used it to add editors to lots of bespoke editor GUI tools. Can highly recommend using Scintilla.

[0] the bindings might all be 3rd party, I don't remember clearly (it's been a while). Whatever the case, I was using it from .NET, myself. It was very easy to use.

lucideer4• 6 years ago

*the main functionality is actually provided by a multiplatform engine called Scintilla

As a former user of SciTE, the definition of the word "main" here is highly subjective. If you mean "more LoC", then maybe, fine. But the value in Notepad++ is in UX, which is an immeasurably better than SciTE's (and an extremely challenging thing to get right—I'm not faulting SciTE for lacking here, UX is hard).

koheripbal6• 6 years ago

I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result.

...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus.

...but hey, it's a free tool and he has the right to express his political views.

I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own.

javindo• 6 years ago

Why is it any more of an issue in software engineering than, say, a singer or actor publicly supporting a cause?

lucideer4• 6 years ago

I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own.

I think your opinion here is a commonly held one, which I find increasingly frustrating and bizarre.

I personally feel that work and politics are by definition inextricably linked, and attempting to separate them as some sanctimonious attempt at taking moral highground is naïve (at best, insincere at worst). Which makes the use of the epithet "immature" here particularly ironic.

levosmetalo• 6 years ago

... unless you are in SV. There it's fully acceptable, and to some extent even mandatory to publicly take a political stance in bashing Trump and praising whoever is the Democratic Party hero of the day.

gorjusborg• 6 years ago

Since we're sharing our personal feelings:

I agree that in general, waving your personal politics around for petty matters is not a good look.

He's not waving his around for petty reasons.

MatekCopatek5• 6 years ago

Excuse the hyperbole, I don't want to judge, I just genuinely think it's an interesting dilemma.

Would you write software needed to support a genocide? Would you consider someone complicit if they did? I'm assuming no and yes, but where do we draw the line? How much bad stuff can I do in the name of professionalism before I should start worrying about moral aspects?

drxzcl• 6 years ago

Not everyone has the option not to pick sides in this particular fight.

krapp3• 6 years ago

I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus.

Between free software itself being highly political, with plenty of zealots writing code, and the progressivism (and anti-progressivism) in SV and the tech community at large, I don't see much evidence that holding political views creates more bugs or degrades software quality. When that happens, the culprit tends to be deadlines or negligence.

The closest thing to an example I can come up with of this happening is the developer who pulled left-pad from NPM for essentially political reasons, but that was an act of deliberate sabotage rather than the result of distraction.

jonp888• 6 years ago

I work for a company with a six figure employee count. Notepad++ is available in out internal app store... but with the poltical message in the About dialog removed.

antihero3• 6 years ago

I personally feel that various aspects of politics are more important than a fucking resume.

eznzt2• 6 years ago

I assume an overwhelming majority of National Front voters don't want people like him out, they just don't want their salaries dumped and their teachers beheaded.

Also, it's not the first time this guy uses his influence as the leader of a popular project to push his politics. It's getting boring.

julianlam• 6 years ago

You're free to not use his software or pay any attention to what he names his releases.

sahinabi• 6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uovt1sC3rtM

matt_LLVW2• 6 years ago

As a french: your assumption is wrong.

tarsinge• 6 years ago

The beginning of the text accompanying that photo (tweet) is: “I’m not proud of what I tweeted, but I have no regret. Nevertheless, I would like to clarify some points about my tweet against FN.”

maverick74• 6 years ago

WTF does this has to do with anything?!

The guy built a software everyone uses! You don't agree with what he believes in? So what?! As long as you are not "forced" to believe or do something you don't agree with i don't understand your complain!!!

He as his freedom, you have yours! Just because you like yellow it does not mean everyone as to like it as well.

Thank the guy, and if you don't agree with him appoint a debate with him thru some chat.......

stonecharioteer2• 6 years ago

I remember notepad++ from way back in the day. Haven't used it since my shift to Linux in 2006, but it used to be the only editor worth talking about for Windows.

I was blown when I discovered column mode. I think I learnt to think about editing as an operation through it. It's carried forward to my vim usage now as well. I've seen Devs not make maximum use of these features and while I do respect their choices, I have to (embarrassingly) admit, it annoys me. I don't show it of course, but whenever a junior comes to me and asks me how I type fast or how I use so many shortcuts I make sure I take the time to teach them.

I owe that paradigm largely to Notepad++. Owe the dev a lot.

pbowyer• 6 years ago

I've never learned them because I've never been shown. I've ended up in column mode accidentally and not figured out why it's useful.

Any tutorials/videos you recommend to juniors?

stonecharioteer2• 6 years ago

Thanks for asking. Despite the memes about vim and emacs, I'd recommend learning Vim. Not because it's better but because Vim, or Vi, is everywhere. And the way you move in vim can be enabled on the terminal.

type vimtutor into your terminal in any Linux box and you should get an interactive editor to teach you how to use vim. Do that. And please learn touch typing. I typed with 3 fingers for 15 years before teaching myself how to TouchType. It's been a gift. I can type in the dark without Backlit keys. I can also use split ergonomic keyboards with ease.

keybr.com for learning.

Also, look up vimcasts for vim.

Two books I recommend is No Starch Press's The Linux Command Line and How Linux Works. Both are always appearing on Humble Bundle and they're worth the entire bundle.

Another thing I recommend is if you use VSCode, learn how to use the command bar. You get thst with control alt p or F1. Editors like this enable you to do everything through the command bar. It's insane.

Additionally, learn stuff like how ctrl r can be used in your terminal to find older commands. Learn how to use your bashrc to set variables. How to debug PATH, and how to add to it.

Learn how installing Python through conda is better and easier to maintain on your dev box, and how installing stuff by sudo apt install is actually troublesome. I install everything by downloading and adding to path. It's the best way to roll.

Also, one last thing. Remap your caps lock to escape. Learn to use your shift keys. Spare your pinky.

Hit me up on twitter if you need help. I use the same ID.

breakfastduck11• 6 years ago

Notepad++ is probably the most frequently useful Windows app I use day to day.

I dont use it as an IDE but literally as a notebook, as well as editing the odd xml / json / sql etc.

Just a fantastic multi-purpose Notepad application.

kemiller2002• 6 years ago

Understanding the tools available to you is key. I admit, I get frustrated as well at the same thing. Not really that people don't know it, but the fact that they choose to actively not learn it. The same thing goes for the command line with me. People look at me and wonder how I can do things so quickly and effortlessly. When I tell them I have used the tools available at my disposal, they look at me with a puzzled expression like "It's too much work." Few people get that I am not better at my job because I'm smart. I'm better because I have more time to focus on important things, because I spend so much less time on menial operations.

codeulike2• 6 years ago

I just discovered Notepad++ macros today. Need to put speechmarks and a comma around every line? Record a macro, then repeat it N times. Brill.

TimSchumann• 6 years ago

I must admit, I have never heard the word speechmarks until just now.

Despacito20192• 6 years ago

gedit in linux is gret tho!

neilsimp1• 6 years ago

https://notepadqq.com/s/ on Linux is an excellent alternative, but it lacks the plugin system and some of the tools from N++, which is a bummer. I still keep N++ installed via Wine, but use NotepadQQ most of the time since it starts up faster.

Notepad++ is a superb program.

AnIdiotOnTheNet• 6 years ago

NotepadQQ was something I tried to use as a Notepad++ alternative on Linux, but what really killed it for me was the absence of the UDL functionality. Ended up using Npp via Wine.

aminozuur• 6 years ago

Agree or disagree, whether it's the "right place" for such comments or not, I like that he is willing to risk his reputation for his convictions.

Previous versions were named "Stand with Hong Kong" or "Free Uyghur".

Source: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/

etewiah• 6 years ago

Ha ha, reminds me of my post from 4 years ago. I had just released PropertyWebBuilder and I was a bit wound up by the Trump election so I asked this question:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13250450

The feedback was overall negative but I have a feeling if I asked that again today it might be a bit different.

speedgoose3• 6 years ago

Dear moderators, could it be possible to revert to the original title of the post ? I think the title is the topic, not a minor release of Notepad++.

dang• 6 years ago

Ok, but a minor release of software with a political cause attached is not an on-topic HN submission.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

speedgoose3• 6 years ago

Sorry, my bad.

t00r• 6 years ago

I use notepad++ for years in the job and privately. Great tool! If i had one wish to improve something, then this: Remember all bookmarks of all files (open or closed) like UltraEdit does this.

ubermonkey• 6 years ago

I don't use Windows much, but when I do I tend to look for N++. It's a strong tool, and quicker to add to a new Win system than emacs. ;)

g8oz• 6 years ago

The killer features for me is the project management. I absolutely need the way it allows you to define virtual subfolders and cherry pick files from all over your file system rather than just adding everything from a folder as so many other editors do. Is there anything on Linux that would let me do that?

PretzelFisch• 6 years ago

Notepad++, has a platform to communicate their views. Does this us bother you? Would you in uninstall the product because their message is in opposition of your beliefs? This reminds me of tech advocates with blogs and twitter were followers get very upset when the content creator steps out of an imagined content subject matter agreement.

johnisgood2• 6 years ago

I use Notepad++ on Windows. Never cared for its author, let alone the author's beliefs.

johnisgood2• 6 years ago

Why the down-vote? It seems related to the other comments, and I do not see why I must care about the author of the software or their views. If ReiserFS was good (for my use cases), I would use it, although in that case I know some about the author, but only because it was quite the news around some circles.

ur-whale2• 6 years ago

For context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6hU3nhudRg

Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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