Slaughterbots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw

by andyjohnson0 • 6 years ago

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nix232• 6 years ago

Pah...nothing against Motorcycles with Knives ;)

wombatpm• 6 years ago

I'm more partial to the angle teeth dropped from high altitude weather balloons with smart bomb accuracy

nix232• 6 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series)

But no Sharks with Lasers...well he missed a opportunity.

nappy-doo• 6 years ago

Mods: 2017, please.

I think about this video all the time. This is the future of warfare, and it's coming. Like it or not, this is where the world is going to go.

Recently, I listened to a podcast about the second civil war in America (It Could Happen Here), and it was chilling. It showed the warfare is asymmetric now, and a 2B bomber is useless against a motivated attacker with 20k worth of drones. The future of warfare is through 3D printing and ML tech; and, the future is here.

arminiusreturns• 6 years ago

See, what I find interesting is that even before it was a reality (in the public sphere), this was one of the main justificatons being used in the smoke filled backrooms for the turning on of the total surveillance system. The end of the nation state threat actor and the beginning of single-actors being able to do just as much damage if they wanted. Hence, they want to track everything and everyone in the hopes that at a minimum they can "walk the cat back", but things are headed for predictive analytics which have all kinds of dangers/downsides.

I don't agree with it, but understanding that is the position many of the machiavellian natsec experts are coming from really helps in having more productive conversations.

mckirk• 6 years ago

Ah yes, I hadn't mentally added the Minority Report angle to my dystopian visions of the future, but you're completely right...

detritus4• 6 years ago

Ha, I'm just back from a walk down the street where a thought popped into mind, upon seeing a group of people, how 'easy' it would be to drop a load of simple flechettes from a drone and cause havoc all for an impressively low amount of money. No complicated to make/source explosives or poisons or chemicals - just a quadcopter and some bits of metal.

I have a lot of such happy thoughts.

TeMPOraL• 6 years ago

Ever since I saw it in some old GTA game, I keep wondering why bombs strapped to small RC cars aren't used much more often by gangs and terrorists. I'm still not sure why, but I think for the same reasons the attack you just described hasn't happened yet, despite it being easy to do.

opwieurposiu• 6 years ago

This idea has been tried, for example in the vietnam war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)

PeterisP2• 6 years ago

It's the present of warfare.

It's worth looking at video evidence of drone usage examples from the recent conflicts.

We've seen small drones dropping mortar rounds in trenches simply by flying above the correct spot near the entrance to a bunker and releasing it. We've seen ammo dumps being ignited by drones carrying thermite loads. We've seen long-range drone attacks on oil processing facilities, getting through expensive anti-air defences simply by sacrificing many cheap drones. Etc.

The currently ongoing Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict in Arcah/Nagorno-Karabah (in some aspects, a proxy "test" of Turkish tech vs Russian tech) is worth looking at, since drones/UAVs are a key part of military activity there.

amelius2• 6 years ago

If this is real, then what are some countermeasures?

imtringued2• 6 years ago

10k worth of drones? That pays for like one and a half Warmates [0]? Drones are far more expensive than you think.

Also there are unmanned autonomous ground vehicles that can launch these like the mission master[1].

It's merely a force multiplier for soldiers. Not some indiscriminate killing machine. Imagine a slaugherbots video based on conventional fighter jets or bombers. They would show them used indiscriminately too. The video is mostly FUD. Any military that gives AI the authority to designate targets is no longer in control of their weapons so it would never happen.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzzOH5fBAqw [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_O85m6VXn8

rektide• 6 years ago

Pretty terrifying.

Recent news was China building a 48x drone suicide swarm launcher[1], yikes. Meanwhile robotic wingmen seem to be increasingly talked up everywhere, everyone wants em.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/10/14/china-...

tim333• 6 years ago

130 comments back then https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15731913

d33lio2• 6 years ago

The elite have already accomplished this. They've convinced you guns in the hands of civilians are a menace and danger to society and that the police you thought were there to protect you are really hunting you. You are a victim, you are powerless comply or be killed by your fellow citizens.

AI has also been used in defense for at least a decade now...

imtringued2• 6 years ago

Yeah it's pretty interesting that people are scared of flying plastic but not real humans doing the same thing.

d33lio2• 6 years ago

Why wait for AI powered mini killer drones when you could conjure up a relatively large group of religious extremists, a bag of knives from a kitchen supply store and a vague description of Western White Infidel TM?

vorpalhex• 6 years ago

For those confused without more context:

This is a fictional, theoretical depiction of what a drone based attack could look like, followed by a short statement by a professor.

My thoughts:

+ This did a poor job differentiating between AI and just drone warfare. You don't need an AI to launch a bunch of drones with payloads. My local middleschool can fly a bunch of drones, and they do it monthly in a nearby parking lot.

+ Neither the video nor the website dictates what, exactly the ban is of. "Lethal Autonomous Weapons", sure, but are we banning like drone motors or FPV cameras or what? How do we not ban "Drone carrying a camera" but do ban "drone carrying homemade explosive" in a way that's meaningful beyond making it extra-illegal to do a terrorism?

+ The website mostly seems concerned about human-in-the-killchain systems versus automated systems. That's a fair distinction to be concerned about, but doesn't appear to be related to the theoretical attack they show.

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