US universities announcing online Fall 2020

https://www.kmjn.org/notes/online_fall2020.html

by mjn • 6 years ago

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Loughla2• 6 years ago

Two things:

a) There is no way this list is even slightly close to comprehensive.

b) What is the purpose of this?

georgeecollins2• 6 years ago

I have a child who is entering his senior high school year. This is very interesting to me in terms of thinking about which schools to apply to. I know this is not for 2021, but I think everyone realizes what happens in Fall of 2020 will have repercussions in Fall 2021. Does that make sense? I can elaborate.

Also, I agree this is not close to comprehensive, but the best I have seen. If someone here can keep a more comprehensive status I promise you many parents would pay something for access to that status.

perpetualpatzer• 6 years ago

Also, I agree this is not close to comprehensive, but the best I have seen. If someone here can keep a more comprehensive status I promise you many parents would pay something for access to that status.

For those interested, two more exhaustive sources[0][1], one of which is linked in the footnotes of OP.

[0] https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-... [1] https://collegecrisis.shinyapps.io/dashboard/

wdb• 6 years ago

Do they give you tuition discount as foreign student when it's all online?

yasoob• 6 years ago

The ones I know of (mine included) aren't giving any discount. They only waive the room and board but you have to pay everything else....

newen• 6 years ago

Hopefully, they waive the gym fees lol.

elliekelly• 6 years ago

Why don’t the students do a bit of collective bargaining? Reduced tuition or you all take the semester off.

Loughla2• 6 years ago

Generally, no. And Generally, when it is a foreign student, they pay an extra fee on top of the tuition.

So. There's that.

_delirium• 6 years ago

Some are, but most aren't. I think the universities that could afford to mostly don't feel they need to (Harvard isn't going to run out of students willing to attend), while the universities that feel more pressure to offer discounts are already cash-strapped from lost dorm/event/etc. revenues, or in the case of public universities, state budget cuts.

The most across-the-board policy I've seen is George Washington University, which is giving a 10% tuition discount: https://coronavirus.gwu.edu/. Some other places are offering case-by-case increases in financial-aid packages.

megiddo• 6 years ago

Unless your four-year is paid for, community college for core curriculum is a better and better deal every year.

dx87• 6 years ago

It depends a lot on the community college. My wife has taught at community colleges and 4 year universities, and she said that the students who transferred from community colleges were frequently very unprepared for a 4 year university. Like, they would struggle to write more than 1 page and have no idea what citations are.

Hongwei• 6 years ago

I think the parent comment is implying that college diplomas are better at helping people get a job and earn a living.

Writing 1+ page essays and MLA citation formatting is work that seems to only exist in academia. It wouldn't surprise me if community college educated people transferring to university programs needed a refresher on that stuff.

alpha_squared• 6 years ago

As someone who went to community college and is intimately familiar with transfer agreements with universities, this sounds like a problem with the curriculum agreement universities have with community colleges. It's something that gets reviewed annually and guarantees that certain courses transfer over as equivalent to specific university courses. If the expectations are mismatched on what was covered in those courses, then there wasn't a thorough enough assessment of equivalencies.

reddog• 6 years ago

The average cost of tuition (not room, board, books, travel, living expenses) for private colleges is about $35K/year. At the more expensive private colleges it's twice that.

Are people really going to pay that much for 15 hours of Zoom lectures a week? I doubt it. The primary reason parents are willing to pay that much is not for the education (with some exceptions) but for the credentials, the networking, and putting their kids into a cohort of successful, like-minded individuals from which they can choose an acceptable mate. And of course to get that 18 year old bundle of hormones and poor judgement out of the house but still in a relatively safe environment.

ipnon• 6 years ago

In other words, they are buying elitism. Ivy League educations are not for everyone.

cm2187• 6 years ago

I don't think recruiters attach the same value to online degrees offered even by major universities.

johnnyo• 6 years ago

They might, because it keeps them in the cohort for next year.

I don’t think a lot of Harvard kids are going to drop out and head to state school, and Harvard knows it.

bgorman• 6 years ago

Right, but is Harvard going to deny students from deferring admission for a year? I would assume the number of students attempting to defer this year is 10x what it normally.

bubblethink• 6 years ago

So a place like Harvard has enough money in the bank to waive fees for everyone for a semester or even a year. There would be PR benefits and it avoids confronting the more fundamental and difficult question of what the the price of education should be. Are any ivies considering this move ?

emptyparadise• 6 years ago

What a terribly dark time to be an international student in the United States.

jb7753• 6 years ago

There's worse things in life.

thesagan• 6 years ago

Fallacy of relative privation. It's still a dark place.

throwaway713• 6 years ago

That always reminds me of this: https://i.redd.it/wwje449jjge21.jpg

lazyjeff• 6 years ago

Since this topic has been a bit click-baitey recently, I was expecting yet another busy page with ads and popups and stock photos of students. It was so refreshing to see just a list of universities with text.

mjn2• 6 years ago

Thanks! I started collecting the announcements as part of discussions we're having in my department about the fall semester, and thought I might as well stick the list up on my blog.

mjfl• 6 years ago

In my opinion it would be crazy to pay $50k of tuition for a few zoom lectures per week, and I think a lot of colleges are aware of this. In response, many of them seem to be doing a "hybrid" approach, where undergrads are allowed to come on campus, but all instruction will be online (Harvard for example). This seems to defeat the purpose of not having in person classes in the first place. I think it shows how much of a pickle they are in.

creaghpatr• 6 years ago

Safer for the professors though.

Avicebron• 6 years ago

Safer in a health sense, but I fear once Academia realizes that lectures can be recorded and supplemented with some office hours for questions. The life of an academic will become tenuous..teaching in real time over Zoom is only a short order of magnitude above a well structured pre-recorded lecture series. At least in my experience.

jb7753• 6 years ago

How long until credentials get phished and all university material is dumped online for free.

One of the rare opportunities where hacking could do good for humanity as a whole.

vkou2• 6 years ago

You can already get a world-class education for nearly-free, if you're willing to devote thousands of hours of your time into it.

Very few people take advantage of it - because the credential is more important than the knowledge.

jb7753• 6 years ago

I find it's sometimes hard to figure out a quality source of knowledge, and sometimes it's hard to figure out what specifically you need to learn sequentially.

For example, when I was learning how to code years back, I literally had no idea what language I should start with. I learned from a top->down approach, but the benefits from a university is they lay it out so you get a bottom->up understanding.

dhosek2• 6 years ago

It's also the structure that a formal class affords that makes it more effective. This is part of the appeal of book clubs (yes, part of it is, for some people, the opportunity to hang out with people and drink wine and eat cheese): some externally imposed structure makes it easier to commit to learning something. Paying for an opportunity also tends to make people more likely to honor their commitment.

ladberg• 6 years ago

"All university material" is not just in one place ready to be stolen. In most classes I took, all the material was already available for free online (on public sites created by the staff). There isn't really any "hidden" knowledge that you could gain by hacking them.

gringoDan• 6 years ago

Universities are hurting for revenue and will be remote for the near future. A benefit to this: right now presents a unique opportunity to get a Masters or a post-bacc.

You can take classes without needing to move/commute to campus. Furthermore, given a work from home environment and a more flexible schedule, many people will be able to make it work without needing to quit their full-time job.

If I ran a struggling university right now I'd lean into this and still be open to applications for the fall semester. This could attract a lot of working professionals like me.

dhosek2• 6 years ago

It's interesting that while Pomona, Pitzer, Claremont McKenna and Scripps have all committed to online, Harvey Mudd College is still planning to be on-campus https://www.hmc.edu/coronavirus-information/2020/07/16/updat...

They have 540 out of 812 students planning to live on campus. I somehow don't see this working out.

mjn2• 6 years ago

The Claremont McKenna announcement says that they don't think LA County is going to let them hold in-person classes, so they didn't really have a choice. Unless they're misreading hints from officials, seems like Harvey Mudd isn't going to have in-person classes either. Less clear about dorms; those might be allowed to open for students taking online courses (the model Harvard is using).

US universities announcing online Fall 2020

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