Ask HN: US Federal Deficit - What to do?

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by mdink • 15 years ago

7 11 15 years ago

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So while driving this morning, I had NPR on listening to US lawmakers give the typical run around about spending cuts. It seems like we are coming close to a dangerous stand still, which would obviously have dire consequences for the future of the US.

How come both sides can't seem to realize that when it comes to spending cuts EVERYTHING needs to get cut and unfortunately taxes need to be RAISED. No one wants to hear this - heck I don't want to pay more taxes. I also don't want to see gov agencies doing great things be cut severely, but the fact of the matter is that 14 trillion isn't going to go away quietly.

Now regardless of whether you think I am right or wrong in this assessment, I have continuously been impressed by the massive brain power behind HN and I am curious to hear people's thoughts on what needs to be done and why. If you are an international reader, feel free to share your outside perspective!

jhamburger• 15 years ago

-Drastically cut defense spending (The cold war is over. We aren't getting into any dogfights or naval battles. Concentrate spending on urban/guerrila warfare.) -Reform social security and medicare -Cut where you can elsewhere

mdink3• 15 years ago

Curious - Do you agree with 500 million for cyber security?

pzxc• 15 years ago

If we only reduced spending to what it was in the year 2000, we could completely eliminate the income tax. That's how much spending has increased in the last decade.

mdink3• 15 years ago

Update: Also I am curious to thoughts specifically on the $500 million for cyber security. Too much? Too little?

kongqiu• 15 years ago

We should probably be spending more on cyber-security than for, say, making sure our fighter jets are 3x better than anyone else's...

schwabacher• 15 years ago

The new york times had a really cool flash app that let you balance the budget..

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/d...

Here is how I did it: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/d...

It isn't easy, but getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and letting the Bush tax cuts expire go a long way.

mdink3• 15 years ago

Wow thanks for that link - so cool! I saw the article where they specified cost centers according to color / size etc. That was very informative - this tops it!

bhousel• 15 years ago

Can't upvote this enough.. Back when this came out, I shared the link on Facebook. It was interesting because I know a whole spectrum of very liberal to very conservative people among my family and friends.

This exercise really opened a lot of eyes, and I saw people with very strong political views start to change their minds about long standing beliefs. In order to fix the deficit, we will need to put politics aside and accept the best ideas from both sides.

gtlenz• 15 years ago

The interactive map doesn't allow one to account for increased economic growth. That's the argument behind supply side economics. There are two books that best lay out an approach to fix the budget deficit by cutting taxes. I know this sounds crazy, but I encourage everyone to give them a read. I've also included JFK's speech to the New York Economic Club (He'd be with Republicans today on fiscal issues). Even if you read them as a mental exercise, it will help you understand why Republicans advocate cutting taxes:

JFK's address to the New York Economic Club:http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkeconomicclubaddr...

Econoclasts by Brian Domitrovic: (This book shows why when Bush 43 cut taxes it didn't lead to growth. Mundell's policy mix is key) http://www.amazon.com/Econoclasts-Supply-Side-Revolution-Pro...

The Growth Experiment by Lawrence Lindsey http://www.amazon.com/Growth-Experiment-Policy-Transforming-...

I don't disagree that spending is the main culprit of the budget deficit, but there is a way out of our predicament that few if any are talking about. Historically tax revenue is equal to about 18% of GDP. So in order to have a balanced budget at 3.73 trillion we would need a GDP of 20.7 trillion . To balance our budget, assuming no growth in spending, it would take 7 years of 5% growth. It would take 5 years at 7% growth and if we could get to 8% growth, agreed to keep the budget at 3.73 trillion, in year five we could pay 300 billion of our national debt down. In my opinion, growth is literally the only way out of our problem without devaluing our currency. The tax raises necessary to fix our problem would choke off our ability to grow.

curt• 15 years ago

Even though its counter intuitive tax cuts work, but they have to be the right kind. All these credits, temporary cuts, refunds don't do anything. Its the flat rate lowering and tax simplifications that increase growth and revenue because it alters long term behavior. A great recent example is Egypt, they lowered their rate from 40% to 20% and doubled revenue while standard forecasting said it would be cut in half. Other example are abound throughout the former Soviet Bloc, you lower/simplify taxes you get more revenue.

In the US we spend more money complying and avoiding taxes then actually do on the taxes themselves. Think about that. If you look at US government tax revenue it's always about 18% of GDP no matter the tax rate. (Look it up, its really interesting it's called Hauser's Law) So the only way the increase revenue is to grow the economy and the highest correlation to economic growth is how many billion dollar companies an economy produces each year. So everything the government does should be centered around freeing start-ups to become billion dollar companies. That means simplified regulation and the removal of corporate welfare, both protect large companies from smaller start-ups.

turbojerry• 15 years ago

Raise taxes, quickens deflationary collapse

Cut spending, quickens deflationary collapse

Print money (QE), hyperinflationary collapse

"Now, America's just another broke ex-super power looking for a handout and wondering why." - Max, Dark Angel

Ask HN: US Federal Deficit - What to do?

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