The mystery of silphium, a lost Roman herb (2017)

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170907-the-mystery-of-the-lost-roman-herb

by sndean • 6 years ago

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dang• 6 years ago

Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197503

jhoechtl• 6 years ago

silphium sounds like silvia which might derive from salvia?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia

asveikau• 6 years ago

AFAIK only if you ignore a bunch of Latin and Greek phonetics.

The <ph> was an aspirated /p/ before it was an /f/.

The Romans said <v> as a /w/ sound.

Maybe someone can correct me but I don't think an [i] to [a] change or vice-versa is that common in Latin derivates.

If you're saying "silvia sounds like salvia", maybe we should also conclude the Latin word for "forest" also derives from that? But the etymologies are actually totally different in that case, the similarity is just a coincidence.

grawprog• 6 years ago

Just in case anyone was actually wondering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia

The name Salvia ("salviya") derives from the Latin salvere ("to feel well and healthy, health, heal"), the verb related to salus (health, well-being, prosperity or salvation), referring to the herb's healing properties. Pliny the Elder was the first author known to describe a plant called "Salvia" by the Romans, likely describing the type species for the genus Salvia, Salvia officinalis.

HelloNurse• 6 years ago

And if you also ignore pictures that look different. See the coin in the article.

pvaldes3• 6 years ago

Totally different plants and different etymology. Salvia is from "Salvare" that means "to save", It was a widely known fix-all remedy in roman empire. Nobody would confuse it.

It was probably just another extinct endemism, maybe a big Apiaceae.

The carrot family is complicated with a mix of edible and very poisonous species like hemlock. I would not advice to play with unknown species of Apiaceae just trying to find this plant.

esch89• 6 years ago

I grow medicinal herbs in my garden and really enjoyed this article, which starts off talking about a mysterious, long-lost aphrodisiac plant and ends on a word of warning on over-harvesting. Plants, their chemical compounds, and their effects on the body are so fascinating!

dnh44• 6 years ago

The article also mentioned a former staple of the Roman dinner table called lovage; this herb is still commonly used in Romanian cooking where it is known as leuștean. It's quite tasty if you ever get the chance.

Nursie• 6 years ago

It is known in the UK as well, but rarely used. There is even a Lovage liqueur though I've never tried it.

grenoire• 6 years ago

Also following the liquor's name is the album Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By, by Mike Patton (Faith No More, Mr. Bungle, etc.) under the pseudonym Lovage. It makes reference to the liquor itself in a tongue-in-cheek fake advertisement intermezzo.

DonaldFisk• 6 years ago

Lovage is a perennial. It's hard to find in England, but I've bought whole plants at garden centres, as well as at a market in Wallonia (where it's called livèche). I haven't seen it sold as a herb in shops. It tastes like very strong celery, but is more fragrant.

It should not be confused with a different herb, called ajwain, whose seeds are sometimes sold as lovage in shops which sell indian spices, where you can also buy hing, which is asafoetida, the silphium substitute.

jajag• 6 years ago

It grows well in Britain, and it's very good in shepherds pie.

9dev• 6 years ago

It's quite common in Germany too, goes as "Liebstöckel" here. Most commonly used for soups, stews and salads

jacobush• 6 years ago

Libsticka in Swedish.

ihalip• 6 years ago

Maybe not that common any more - I don't remember seeing it anywhere for the past 10 years or so.

donmatito• 6 years ago

you can buy bags of dry herbs in the supermarkets

fit2rule• 6 years ago

I've got it growing wild in my garden most seasons, and its an abundant edible out in the Austrian wilderness if you know how to find it before the goats and cows do ..

smitty1e• 6 years ago

Also great if you can find it is feldsalat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerianella_locusta

Agentlien2• 6 years ago

My wife introduced me to that. I believe it was when we were living in Belgium. Very tasty and not easy to come by in Sweden.

pvaldes3• 6 years ago

Valerianella is a late winter/spring wild salad. Equivalent to lattice. Not much flavour, but handy.

Nux• 6 years ago

Yes, lovage is great, surprised it's not more popular.

Growing it in my garden as it's not in any of the UK supermarkets.

fasteo• 6 years ago

Levistico in Spain, rare to find

elmo2you• 6 years ago

Trivia addition: Lovage called "lavas" in Dutch, and I remember it growing wild in abundance, where I grew up (North part of The Netherlands).

Colloquially the herb was often called "maggi-plant", because it smells very much like the popular Maggi seasoning product (also called Maggi Aroma), which itself actually does not contain any lovage.

Since Maggi seasoning has been popular/convenient in kitchens throughout Europe (and beyond), for more than 50 years, the decline in use of lovage might be in part attributed the popularity of Maggi seasoning.

However, that's of course pure speculation.

aaron695• 6 years ago

This is from todays

What was a great thing ruined by popularity? : AskReddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ey5tm0/what_was_...

Which fits with most of the reply's of romanticising the past.

"first genuinely effective birth control"

In the old days meant a poison when taken in a light dose probably would kill the fetus and not you.

verytrivial• 6 years ago

The idea of finding "lost" plants immediately reminded me of this story on the stupendously compendious "Spitalfields Life" daily blog by the notionally anonymous "Gentle Author", whom details the past and present of a specific part of East London.

https://spitalfieldslife.com/2018/05/11/wild-city/ - "A Lost Botanic World In Aldgate"

"Last year, I joined a group of intrepid plant hunters descending into the depths of the last remaining bomb site in the City of London. We climbed all the way down into the hole until we reached the level of the platforms of what was formerly part of Aldgate East Station, until a V2 bomb dropped nearby in the Second World War.

Consequently, the plant life that flourished in this rare haven of nature remained untouched in all these years because the proximity of the tube line precluded any redevelopment until now, and so the project was to record this lost world of botanic richness at the eleventh hour. The plant species collected included many that were once commonplace throughout the City and the East End yet which no longer thrive here."

Of course in this case the plants are not "lost" per se, but the population is a snapshot of a lost _ecosystem_, left untouched more or less, telling you something about how London used to look (and smell).

rezeroed• 6 years ago

"last remaining bomb site" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51361924

ghaff• 6 years ago

Gastropod did a podcast episode on Silphium and other "ghost foods." https://gastropod.com/of-ghost-foods-and-culinary-extinction...

Apparently inspired by a book: Lost Feast: Culinary Extinction and the Future of Food

hypertexthero• 6 years ago

The seed pod of this medicinal herb may have inspired the traditional heart shape in wide use today — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium#Connection_with_the_h...

You can see visit silphium fields in Assassin’s Creed: Origins.

JoeAltmaier2• 6 years ago

Huh. We picked fruit from what the landowner claimed were 'huckleberry plants'. Made jam - pretty good, a little bitter but tasty. Threw the strained seeds into the compost heap.

The next summer had the most lush patch of huckleberry plants there, complete with plentiful fruit.

So either those weren't huckleberries, or somebody has solved the huckleberry reproduction issue.

cygx• 6 years ago

Probably blueberries or bilberries.

Quote from some random search result[1]:

Huckleberries are edible and quite tasty. The small, round berries resemble blueberries. In fact, in some parts of the United States, huckleberries might be called blueberries and blueberries might be called huckleberries. They're not the same fruit, though.

[1] https://www.wonderopolis.org/wonder/what-is-a-huckleberry

JoeAltmaier2• 6 years ago

Interesting. Do blueberries come in more astringent forms than the commercial one? With quite a different flavor?

perl4ever• 6 years ago

Also known as "laser".

The mystery of silphium, a lost Roman herb (2017)

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