Poll: Can / Should IE be killed?

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by nudge • 15 years ago

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makecheck• 15 years ago

I look at it as a waste of talent. Microsoft has plenty of software that needs improvement; if the entire IE team went to work on Windows, I think it would do more good than implementing another browser (when at least 2 superior browsers exist for Windows).

TimothyBurgess2• 15 years ago

Microsoft has had plenty of time and more than enough resources to get their browser right. But for whatever reason, they can't seem to get it up to par.

IE struck out a long time ago and I think it would truly benefit mankind if they were benched permanently while letting one of the big boys take its place at bat as the default Windows browser. Sadly the chances of that happening are slim to none... without consumer action. ;) And that's why I'm upvoting this. I've wanted a browser revolution for a long time now!

devspade2• 15 years ago

So far the most votes are for "IE can and should be killed". Should is debatable, sure. But I'm interested in how. Because I'd argue it can't be done by anyone not named Steve Balmer at the moment.

joh6nn• 15 years ago

sure it could: if even a handful of major sites decided to simply block IE, it'd be dead in the water. that's EXTREMELY unlikely to happen, but it's certainly possible.

devspade2• 15 years ago

this is the one place you might have a shot - if google, amazon, facebook, etc - were just like you straight can't use IE or our sites - then maybe, but no chance the big dogs do something like that

TimothyBurgess2• 15 years ago

I wonder if there are any petitions out there for the cause of ending IE. I'm sure there are but obviously none have been properly executed.

It'd be a super long shot, but I'd bet that with some generous donations and a proper campaign, a viral petition could get thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of signatures requesting that something seriously be done about IE. Could Steve Balmer and Microsoft ignore hundreds of thousands of people? Sure. Would they? Maybe. They do seem to think they know what's best for everyone. Would it hurt to try? Definitely not.

bod2• 15 years ago

The problem is, that except a tiny fraction of developers no consumer cares about their browser as long as it just works. There is no reason to switch. A browser is simply a browser no matter what its name is. All seem to do the same. The most common reason people activly change their browser is, as far as I noticed, because it's a new trend (firefox and now chrome).

And noone can blame business, that it doesn't dare to loose a significant amount of customers by not supporting IE with their website.

benologist2• 15 years ago

Course it shouldn't. If you're going to kill off browsers then sooner or later we'll end up with one all over again.

bod2• 15 years ago

What's wrong with killing the weakest, so the drove has a better chance to withstand in the future?

benologist2• 15 years ago

Because there's another weakest next in line.

noibl• 15 years ago

Not necessarily. What we need is a browser industry where negotiations over standards happen in good faith. Because that didn't happen, we got IE6 holding back the web for nearly a decade. Because that didn't happen, we got WHATWG.

Opera, Firefox, Apple and later Google have vividly demonstrated that it is possible to have a diverse range of browsers while safeguarding interoperability and pushing forward on new tech. Microsoft came late to that party after W3C was embarrassed into adopting WHATWG's work and have yet to show solid commitment to being a trustworthy industry player rather than simply cherrypicking from work done by others in order to make themselves look good.*

* OK, so that may be overstating the case and the IE team has contributed under the W3C process. Still, WHATWG is not going to stand still and Microsoft still hasn't gotten on board with that.

mooism2• 15 years ago

How about if Microsoft kept IE but adopted WebKit to display the actual pages instead of maintaining their own renderer (Trident?)?

yuhong• 15 years ago

In this kind of discussions, I am surprised no one mentioned MS' own Tasman engine in IE5 for Mac, which was ahead in standard support back in the day.

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