Stop the presses: Facebook CTO says news next in social revolution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12406171

by wippler • 15 years ago

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cagenut• 15 years ago

friendfeed was built in 08, before amazon had released EBS as a feature. there is no way in hell the instance-store disk i/o would have kept up with friendfeeds mysql demands (you may remember the post Bret himself wrote on their nifty approach to mysql: http://bret.appspot.com/entry/how-friendfeed-uses-mysql ) Frankly, even EBS probably wouldn't have. Plus, back in 08 the larger ec2 instances were still pretty low on ram compared to what you could cheaply cram in a colo'd server, putting even more pressure on the disk i/o.

I think Bret's really wishing what almost everyone is, that these problems would just go away and you could pay a reasonable premium for that, but we're not there yet and certainly weren't in 2008. I don't think he really checked his numbers on this one.

edit: however there is a happy medium. managed service providers will gladly charge you ec2 prices (250/month for a low end server, 500/month for a beefy one) while handling all midnight colo trips for you.

samvj• 15 years ago

Don't worry, people are on it - http://www.dotcloud.com :)

spitfire• 15 years ago

Until some very smart people get together and restart tandem, buying hardware will be a poor decision. Designing for a fail-by-design architecture will be the right thing to do. and if you have fail by design, why not just ship the executable to whoever's the cheapest virtual hosting at the moment.

PS: To very smart people: Please get together and start Tandem: the sequel. Pretty, pretty please. With sugar on top.

tgriesser• 15 years ago

Gotta love sensationalist headlines...

Should read: Facebook CTO says purchasing servers for a separate startup prior to Facebook might have been unnecessary

The idea that Facebook wouldn't need its own data centers is pretty ridiculous, and that's what the title implies

EDIT: looks like "while at FriendFeed" was added for clarity ... Further edit: The title is changed now, but the original said "Facebook CTO says purchasing servers was his biggest mistake" or something of the like

butu5• 15 years ago

yeah true.. title is completely mis leading. When I read this thought facebook did mistake on purchasing it's own server and setting up it's datacenter.

But Bret (CTO of facebook, co-founder of Friendfeed) talks about Friendfeed here. Considering friendfeed growing and struggling stage to make it's presence. There is lot of other thing to worry than maintaining own data center.

lurchpop• 15 years ago

They also referred to Yelp as "Yell"

petercooper• 15 years ago

In other news, Amazon's CTO says his worst decision was to buy servers as they could have just rolled EC2's API out on Dreamhost's Private Servers offering..

Less facetiously, this "regret" surprises me. I'd have though that of anyone, Facebook would want to have full control and security over their own servers. Agreeing to a contract where Amazon can pull the plug over "objectionable" content or even adverse effects on their network poses a significant risk for any large business to accept.

chime• 15 years ago

He is not talking about servers for Facebook but his old startup, Friendfeed.

erik_p• 15 years ago

In addition to the misleading title, you gotta love the "Yell" typo for "Yelp" in the article...

rodh• 15 years ago

Yell is the company that publishes the UK Yellow Pages. I'm sure Bret Taylor meant Yelp. However: http://www.yell.com/reviews/ "The places to go, by the locals in the know". Or so they say.

marcamillion• 15 years ago

It's funny the differences in headlines between one tailored for HN and BBC audiences respectively.

johngalt• 15 years ago

When someone says "My biggest mistake is doing X and not Y. X turned out to be really hard." I wonder if they know how difficult Y would be as well.

CodeMage• 15 years ago

The only two paragraphs that actually match the headline:

If we had to guess, it's probably going to be orientated around media or news, because they are so social. When you watch a television show with your friend, it's such an engaging social activity.

We think that there's a next generation of startups that are developing social versions of these applications, where what Zynga is to gaming, they will be to media and news, and we're really excited about that.

bhoung• 15 years ago

something about the t-shirt under the shirt look that detracts from the article.

Stop the presses: Facebook CTO says news next in social revolution

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