First thoughts on Erlang

http://www.byzantinereality.com/?p=868

by nkurz • 16 years ago

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bhickey• 16 years ago

    Is it Erlang’s semantics that really rub people the wrong way? 
    ... after seeing O’Caml, Haskell, and Clojure before, Erlang feels 
    a bit easier to get the hang of. Erlang’s semantics indeed throw 
    people off, especially those who know a C-style language.

I write in Haskell, I knew OCaml, Racket is a friend of mine. Erlang is no Clojure.

The problem with Erlang is not one of semantics, it's one of syntax. I find the syntax of Erlang jarringly bad.

Try this for a longer rant: http://damienkatz.net/2008/03/what_sucks_abou.html

yariv• 16 years ago

If Erlang's syntax bothers you and like Clojure you should check out LFE (Lisp Flavored Erlang). It's Erlang with a Lisp sytax.

chops2• 16 years ago

Disclaimer: I've been doing Erlang now for a handful of projects for a year and a half, and I love it.

The syntax is a little jarring at first, more-so than most languages, but it's really not that bad. And as long as you stick with OTP, generic servers, and the like, you get to avoid some of issues that can make Erlang code harder to follow (naked bang message passing, spawning processes directly, etc).

Frankly, I think the syntactical warts (ending line variations, record syntax, if-statement construct, etc) are well worth it for the benefits of message passing, lightweight process spawning, pattern matching, code hot-swap, and particularly locational transparency.

At the very least, Erlang is an interestingly different enough language that I recommend it for anyone to spend a few weeks to learn at least the basics.

al3x• 16 years ago

This quote from the post says it all: "I actually haven’t finished the book yet – I’m at the end of the first chapter".

It's great that the author is learning a new language, but maybe wait until you've actually done something with it or at least finished the book to write about it? First impressions don't mean much.

silentbicycle• 16 years ago

Indeed. If anything, the programming landscape already has way too many inaccurate first impressions getting in the way of real discussion.

reiddraper• 16 years ago

Actually, that's not what he said. Here's the full quote: "I’m at the end of the first chapter that explains how Erlang’s concurrency features work"

A quick look shows that it's the sixth chapter. Either way, he's clear about this disclaimer, and his post was enough to peak my interest in this specific book.

For you, first impressions _do_ seem to mean much.

chops2• 16 years ago

That was also the first chapter in the book where suddenly Erlang seemed freaking amazing. Up until then, it was just a functional language with an odd syntax. After the introduction to message passing and concurrency, I was in love.

Qz• 16 years ago

It's called "First thoughts on Erlang" for a reason.

First thoughts on Erlang

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