VIM from novice to professional by: Derek Wyatt

http://ontwik.com/tools/vim-from-novice-to-professional-by-derek-wyatt-p1/

by ahmicro • 16 years ago

74 31 16 years ago

wccrawford• 16 years ago

Some really good tips for novices (and probably some pros that missed a few tips), but I hate the evangelizing.

"Do it the way it's meant to be done!" ... NO. Do it the way that works best. If you can get around easier with hjkl, go for it. If you find the arrow keys to be WAY faster, use them. All that matters is that you get the job done. If we always did it 'the way it was meant to be done' we'd never have progress.

javert• 16 years ago

Taken out of context, the advice to "do it the way it's meant to be done" is not very good advice, as you point out.

But in the context of talking about how to navigate within vim, it's really worthwile to use hjlk instead of the arrow keys; it's provably way more efficient.

pyrhho3• 16 years ago

'jkl;' for the win! 'hjkl' always seemed awkward and never made sense to me. 'hjkl' is supposed to be convenient so that you never need to move your right hand to navigate the file, but you don't type with your fingers on 'hjkl', you type with them on 'jkl;'. I remapped my vim to 'jkl;' and am loving it. (Though it is a bit of a pain for less, and other vim-keyed applications).

For those interested, you can remap to use 'jkl;' with:

  " Navigate with jkl; instead of hjkl
  noremap ; l
  noremap l k
  noremap k j
  noremap j h

Edit: Being a bit nicer to vim's authors...

lelele4• 16 years ago

> Do it the way that works best. If you can get around easier with hjkl, go for it. If you find the arrow keys to be WAY faster, use them.

Except that arrow keys do not blend well with other commands, for instance I wonder how V<down>d can be "WAY faster" than Vjd to delete two lines. Also, I wonder how reaching for the arrow keys can be "WAY faster" than pressing the keys which are right there under your fingertips.

Power tools are designed that way for a reason. If you fail to understand the reasons, and you feel smart about using a power tool like a dumber one, well...

OTOH, having alternative "dumber" ways to get things done while you are learning is helpful.

freakwit• 16 years ago

tip: use dj to delete two lines

bradly• 16 years ago

>If you find the arrow keys to be WAY faster, use them

I would disagree with that. You have to think about what will be more productive once you have learned both ways. Sure walking is faster than a bike when you don't know how to ride a bike, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn how to ride a bike.

meemo• 16 years ago

The way I see it is, he's encouraging you to try new ways of doing things. And I think he's right. They exist for a reason.

Deadsunrise• 16 years ago

10 flash videos on one page and just a tiny "credits" link to the author? Only thanks to Flashblock my computer is not dying.

I also don't see the point of embedding all the videos. For example in this one: http://ontwik.com/ruby/david-hansson-why-ruby/ why doesn't the credits link to the source of the video? You know, the people who recorded, edited and released it at http://confreaks.net/videos/431-rubyconf2010-keynote-why-rub...

ahmicro• 16 years ago

Yes you are right, May be the little "credit" is nothing but I'm working to add more info about the authors and how it works ,Thanks for critique i loved it.

roadnottaken• 16 years ago

He's obnoxious, I couldn't watch more than a few minutes. How is this better than a tutorial/cheat-sheet?

jeremydavid• 16 years ago

Sorry to sound like an asshole, but I have to agree with you - this guy is annoyingly obnoxious. In the first minute of the first screen cast all he was able to highlight was that Canadians don't live in igloos, and that he thought his "neighbours to the south" were ignorant.

I am keen to learn how to use VIM effectively, but I can't sit through these videos. Please, anyone out there, take this guys idea but do it right. Put together a series that emphases the content - not the guy presenting it.

pdelgallego• 16 years ago

I haven't seen this videos yet, but peepcode has two good screencast about using vim. I am a emacs/viper user and I learned a some nice tricks with the peepcode videos.

I am recording a serie of screencasts about how to use emacs/viper/org-mode/elisp/configuration-emacs, but I am doing it in Spanish. My accent and grammar is not good enough to do it in English.

steveklabnik• 16 years ago

Have you seen VimCasts? http://vimcasts.org/

dingle_thunk2• 16 years ago

First impressions of vim: text editor for douche-bags

traverse• 16 years ago

Look beyond your first impression. Don't worry about the so called douche-bags.

I am a light VIM user, but I do a lot of scripting on Windows for work. I spend a great deal of time working in consoles for wsf and ps1 files. Having an editor I can use "inline" with my workflow is priceless. I'm not a power user, my vimrc is all of 8 lines, but I can get in make an edit and get back out without losing step. Plus having one editor on all platforms means the things I _do_ manage to learn at work can also be used at home (on Fedora).

TL;DR Don't worry about a programs perceived user base. Measure it by what it can do for you.

adamesque• 16 years ago

He's referring to the unbelievably obnoxious narrator of these screencasts.

angrycoder• 16 years ago

Dear Author,

More Vim, less you.

mrinterweb• 16 years ago

My favorite way to learn vim was vimtutor, but unfortunately vimtutor ends too soon. There is so much that vimtutor does not cover. Does anyone know of an advanced vimtutor?

wyclif• 16 years ago

No, but there's a surprising amount of great material to learn in :help. I'd also recommend the newest edition of the vi/vim O'Reilly book.

cicatrix_manet• 16 years ago

much prefer VIM from novice to pro by: Derek SMART.

VIM from novice to professional by: Derek Wyatt

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