Chinese activists detained ahead of 30th anniversary of Tiananmen crackdown

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3012501/chinese-activists-detained-ahead-30th-anniversary-tiananmen

by okket • 7 years ago

123 17 7 years ago

jacknews• 7 years ago

  Asked if the People’s Liberation Army planned any commemoration on June 4,
  defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian said on Thursday:
  "I do not agree with you for using the word ‘suppression’.
  I think these past 30 years, the stable process of China’s reform and development
  and the achievements that have been made are an answer to this question.”

Stop buying crappy Chinese knock-offs and that excuse will fade.

geoka92• 7 years ago

What about the rest of the stuff we buy, 80% of which is still made in China?

adventured• 7 years ago

80% huh?

China is about 24% of global manufacturing. Their share is also no longer increasing (their manufacturing sector has been net stagnant for years, as they tread water; moving up the ladder in some sectors, while cost-sensitive manufacturing flees to cheaper shores like Vietnam).

The US is around 18% to 19% of global manufacturing (it was 28% as recently as 2002).

China took the global lead in 2010.

Other countries are also still very substantial manufacturing centers. Japan, as of 2016, for example still had a manufacturing output equal to 30% that of China (with an economy ~45% the size of China in that year).

Germany has an economy 1/5 the size of the US, but it does about 1/3 the manufacturing output of the US.

The US + Japan + Germany have a manufacturing output about 25% larger than China.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42135.pdf

_bxg1• 7 years ago

China's export economy hasn't been built on crappy knockoffs in 30 years.

gamblor956• 7 years ago

Right, it's been built on real-estate ponzi schemes for at least the last decade.

lostlogin• 7 years ago

A disproportionate number of iffy products are Chinese though.

There are a couple of situation playing out here in NZ that are pretty bad.

Weak steel that will fail under stress being the main one. When used in earthquake strengthening you can see the issue, and it seems to have caused train derailments here too.

And we got a batch of dodgy locomotives.

Fake milk caused financial problems for a NZ parent company, while in China it was a literal baby killer, with 54,000 hospitalised and 12 killed.

Great products come out of Chiba but it has a long way to go.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/107334763/reopenin... https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/6442509... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

soulofmischief• 7 years ago

Right after my government fixes stagnant wages and undoes the last 20 years of neoliberalist globalization, sure.

pimlottc• 7 years ago

Reposted quote in italics for better readability on mobile:

Asked if the People’s Liberation Army planned any commemoration on June 4, defense ministry spokesman Wu Qian said on Thursday: "I do not agree with you for using the word ‘suppression’. I think these past 30 years, the stable process of China’s reform and development and the achievements that have been made are an answer to this question.”

taobility• 7 years ago

do you mind mail your iPhone/Xbox to me?

CharlesColeman3• 7 years ago

A Chinese friend of mine recently summarized to me a lecture by a senior Renmin University sociology professor that talked about the Tiananmen crackdown and compared that generation of students to the current one (and that generation's leadership to the current leaders). Does anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have an English translation? It sounded very interesting and quite candid, and the professor sounded high enough to have actually met some of the leaders in question.

uranusjr• 7 years ago

Is this the one you’re referring to? (The content matches your description, but it’s more of an interview.) The professor (Zhou Xiaozheng) is a famous for being extremely outspoken about the Tiananmen incident, even when he was in China (he lives in the US now). I am not aware of any translations, unfortunately.

https://youtu.be/xQM2ICCD94E

CharlesColeman3• 7 years ago

Yep, I confirmed that's it. Thanks!

spraak• 7 years ago

It's amazing to me to see some people rationalize away the events that happened at Tianamen, in the same way people rationalize away/deny the Holocaust. My previous comment here was flagged and removed talking about the denialists' perspective, so to be clear I am not promoting that, I'm just relating my amazement at how it can be denied and ignored. I've spent some time reading the "real" truth about Tianamen from such sources, and I walk away shaken at how convincing it is. That I almost want to believe it. I don't know what to make of it; I guess just that it's interesting and amazing how beliefs are formed and hardened, and that nearly any perspective can be backed up with convincing evidence.

zwaps• 7 years ago

It's hilarious that you can go to jail for more than three years for "picking quarrels and provoking trouble”.

"Deng was arrested on May 17 and police warned his family not to hire a lawyer, the rights group said in a statement."

People defending China - look out. This is not a country that cares about justice or human rights.

xenospn• 7 years ago

China: "Nothing happened in Beijing 30 years ago" Also China: <Arrests people just in case>

Chinese activists detained ahead of 30th anniversary of Tiananmen crackdown

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