IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/05/ieee-major-science-publisher-bans-huawei-scientists-reviewing-papers

by clouddrover • 7 years ago

35 19 7 years ago

The consequences of installing spyware on your devices and trying to spy on the US.

I'm not sure how to take your comment. Are you implying that spying on other countries is ok? Or that US has so much control that it should not be messed with?

Both are bad, right?

cyphar2• 7 years ago

The US spies on the entire world and does the exact same thing (except on a much larger scale). 2013 wasn't that long ago, surely people haven't forgotten the Snowden revelations.

Not to mention there is no public evidence of Huawei doing this -- but we have mountains of evidence of the NSA doing it! Hell, the NSA actually hacked into Huawei's internal infrastructure before[1].

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/23/latest-snowden-allegations...

rustacean• 7 years ago

stop trolling without any evidence.

hurrdurr2• 7 years ago

Seriously? How many backdoors has the CIA/NSA put in place? Did you forget all of the stuff Snowden leaked?

timkly• 7 years ago

I'll just leave this here. The US has been spying on the world forever, but what we are seeing here, is that if you want to be a truly global organisation of any kind, then the US is the place you don't want to be setting up in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

qhwustl2• 7 years ago

I am waiting to see if the academia can really be bullied like this....

gHosts• 7 years ago

...easily.

Their funding has been cut to within an inch of their lives....

Promise 'em pizza and they'll ban the UK too.

qhwustl2• 7 years ago

I am wondering what could be a solution to this... maybe something like "a united nation for academics" for advancing the knowledge of humanity together without blatant political interferences from single/few countries? ...by an international treaty and a special international tax system to support the existence of that kind of academic entity?

contingencies• 7 years ago

With the ambient positive mood regarding the significant rise of sci-hub, open publishing commitments from academics and institutions and the correspondingly significant pressure on rent-seeking publishers, perhaps we will see parallel pressure extend to politically partisan or subjugated organizations until an open science free of such politicking emerges?

One solution would be anonymous scientific publication and review.

sn41• 7 years ago

I think this is going overboard. Even during the peak of the Cold War, I don't think that reviews by Soviet scientists was banned. Whatever the political differences may be, I think that the process of science should not be blocked unless there are issues of scientific misconduct.

deelowe• 7 years ago

issues of scientific misconduct

Isn't this the implication?

cyphar2• 7 years ago

No, it's because of the US sanctions against Huawei which are unrelated to any scientific misconduct (instead they are because of accusations of other kinds of misconduct). It's still incredibly hypocritical that the US is making this argument given that we all know what the NSA does.

SN76477• 7 years ago

I agree, it is going too far.

It feels like a good time for a world wide tech alliance that puts some working professional standards in place.

sigmar• 7 years ago

Specifically, IEEE says they “cannot receive or access materials submitted by other persons until after IEE has accepted the material for publication.” At that point, Huawei scientists “may act as editor or peer reviewer for that material.”

Huawei employees can peer review, just only after it is selected for publication. Considering the "severe legal implications" mentioned, perhaps there is a NDA agreement that IEEE's lawyers determined would run afoul of the sanctions?

pella• 7 years ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20037082

femto• 7 years ago

Are Huawei people also banned from accessing IEEE Xplore?

ggm• 7 years ago

This is a collossal mis-step. IEEE need to withdraw and reframe on this.

romeo1978• 7 years ago

It proves that companies in the United States, including these international organizations without borders, can be controlled by the US government; on the contrary, the US government is nonsense, saying that Huawei is controlled by the Chinese government and there is no evidence.

IEEE, a major science publisher, bans Huawei scientists from reviewing papers

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