Indian Jets Strike on Pakistani Side of Kashmir Line

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/world/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-jets.html

by oumua_don17 • 7 years ago

44 50 7 years ago

sauravt• 7 years ago

Countries with nuclear weapons should not go to war with each other.

vkou3• 7 years ago

Small, oil-strapped countries should also not start unwinnable wars against superpowers that have 2 times their population, 5 times their GDP, and 10 times their military industrial capacity.

And yet, despite knowing that their cause was hopeless, and that the war would be unwinnable, the government of Imperial Japan knowingly committed suicide, by attacking the United States in 1941.

This is one of the reasons I find the principles underpinning MAD to be fairy tales. In matters of war, belligerents do not behave rationally.

yumraj7• 7 years ago

Countries should also not harbor and train and support terrorists that attack neighbors.

Pharmakon4• 7 years ago

You’re right, but avoiding nuclear war is the higher priority. If India and Pakistan want to kick the ahit out of each other they should disarm their nuclear weapons. Imagine for a moment that Russia had been sending terrorist to the US border with Canada. Now imagine that the US started bombing Russian border towns. You would quite rightly, be crappping your pants and focusing on the threat of global annihilation.

Nuclear powers are burdened with a far greater need for restraint out of necessity than non-nuclear powers, even in the face of provocation.

Pharmakon4• 7 years ago

This would be a very stupid reason to jumpstart an apocalypse. You’d really hope nuclear armed neighbors would have more restraint.

hereiskkb2• 7 years ago

Ha ha. Restraint is not an option when 50+ soldiers of said country get suicide bombed by a terrorist group known to be residing with impunity and immunity in the other said country. At this point, it's a wonder it's not all out war.

vkou3• 7 years ago

How many people are you willing to kill (On your side, or the other side), over a terrorist act that claimed the lives of fifty soldiers?

Fifty?

Five hundred?

Five hundred million?

As many as it takes? Or is there a limit?

What if the conflict kills five hundred people on your side, and fifty on theirs? Do you also consider that a good exchange?

Pharmakon4• 7 years ago

Of course it’s an option, when the alternative is a potential nuclear holocaust. I’m not denying that Pakistan makes for a miserable neighbor, just that limited engagements with limited casualties are preferable to risking nuclear war.

techie128• 7 years ago

NYT's anti-India bias is showing.

That said, this was expected. India's diplomacy and restraint has been tested time and time again. It has taken a page from Israel, US & Russia's book. India is only cleaning up the mess that Pakistan should've cleared on its side of the border.

vkou3• 7 years ago

I know nothing about the situation, so what you say may well be true, despite the assurances of Pakistan to the contrary.

However, it may also well be false, despite the assurances of India to the contrary.

I do know that if this escalates into a 'real' war, or, heaven forbid, a nuclear exchange, between the two countries, then the question of whether or not this attack was justified will be completely irrelevant.

godelmachine4• 7 years ago

We Indian's are fed up of Pakistan's nuclear deterrence. Paki's don't let us live in peace, they harbor the most dangerous of terrorists (Don't forget Osama bin Laden so soon), and they don't wanna give up the thought of terrorizing India.

It's high time these air strikes were conducted. They had it coming. We made sure no civilians were killed. Only those terrorists.

DSingularity• 7 years ago

And you are proud of this? Shame.

l1feh4ck2• 7 years ago

I am very proud of this. And there is nothing to be ashamed of. India did not attack any civilians or military base, It attacked terrorist training camps. The attack was on an area 50Km after LOC(line of control) which is a part of Kashmir currently occupied by Pakistan. On Feb 14th 44 Indian reserve police were killed in a bomb attack made by the same pakisthan based Jihadi terroriest organisation Jaish-e-Mohammed. I think this is a major action against terror from India.

godelmachine4• 7 years ago

You don't speak when you know nothing.

Before being techie's or engineer's, we are Indian's first, and we are very proud of these air strikes.

Paki's don't let us live in peace and it's high time the terrorists they harbored were blown off to pieces. Those cowards wage proxy war against us.

Would you call US a coward for raiding bin Laden's camp in Abbottabad and bringing him down? Would you condemn Israel when they target Hamas militants?

Shame and disgrace on you, sir! You have indirectly justified terrorism and Pakistan's cowardice.

debt• 7 years ago

It’s against international law to randomly bomb another country. Duh

India didn’t get authorization from the UN Security Council nor was this in self defense.

I think your bias may be showing.

yumraj7• 7 years ago

Please see my comment below: this was in response to a terrorist attack in India about 2 weeks ago, which had killed 40+ people, by Pakistani terrorists.

Moreover this targeted terrorist camps in remote areas, and not Pakistani military or civilian targets.

thewhitetulip• 7 years ago

It is against common sense and international law to harbour known terrorists on your soil. Yet Pakistan has repeatedly provided a safehouse.

Till now, US & Pak interests were aligned so US acted as broker, meaning Pak based terrorists went Scott free.

For the first time in history a US president has dropped the usual advice of restraint.

Of course, I'm not saying India should bomb Karachi, that's against common sense. Because civilians are killed in such a strike. But targeting a terror camp on a mountain is justified after you know that 50+ Army men were maryted in a bomb vehicle attack 12days ago. And that terror attack was carried out by JeM

Arnt• 7 years ago

FWIW, that part of Kashmir isn't technically another country. Kashmir's unelected ruler chose to remain independent when he had to choose back in August 1947, Pakistan invaded in September and Kashmir then joined India in October.

The border is labelled "line of control" on the maps. What India bombed is in the part of Kashmir-then-India that Pakistan effectively controls but that other countries don't recognise.

19f191ty2• 7 years ago

I'd advise everyone to wait until it's confirmed. The fake news problem in India is at another level.

yumraj7• 7 years ago

It was reported by Pakistan that this had happened, before Indian media had reported.

19f191ty2• 7 years ago

What happened exactly? Nobody's arguing that Indian planes crossed the LoC. But did they really bomb all the terrorist camps? Were the terrorists really killed? Were there really no civilian casualties? How do we know? In fact, how do they know? No source outside Indian media hasn't confirmed these details. Not just that, the Indian media itself hasn't provided evidence to back these claims

JackPoach2• 7 years ago

Thanks god there are no casualties.

yumraj7• 7 years ago

Well, according to Indian media 200-300 terrorists were killed. Of course Pakistan says no one was killed.

l1feh4ck2• 7 years ago

I don't understand why to thank god for that. Pakisthan have denied the existence of such terrorist organisation even though the last surgical strick from India killed over 50 jihadis who were trained to attack India. The attack was done by 12 mirage aircraft carrying bombs weighing over 1000kgs. This have a destructive radius over 15 kms. The Indian intel and the state is claming that there is anywhere beteen 300-400 Jihadis killed in this attack. Major strike on terror from Indian side.

JackPoach2• 7 years ago

It's a figure of speech. I am an atheist.

yumraj7• 7 years ago

Note: This is not random attack by India. This was in response to an attack 2 weeks ago by Pakistani terrorists in India which had killed 40+ security personnel. Moreover this was an attack on terrorist camps in hilly/mountaineous terrain.

throwawaysea• 7 years ago

After a history of the Pakistani government letting terrorists operate/organize within its borders, one can’t be surprised that India has grown tired of the nuclear deterrent preventing them from making progress in curbing attacks in India from Pakistani terror groups.

I agree the situation should be handled delicately, and hopefully diplomatically, to a mutually-agreeable outcome. At the same time, continuing to rely on the Pakistani government to make progress here would be foolish given their poor track record in dealing with domestic terror groups. After all, America acted unilaterally in the hunt for Osama bin Laden because the Pakistani government was unreliable. To this day many sources allege the direct involvement of many Pakistani officials in harboring OBL (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14...).

rraghur• 7 years ago

I read elsewhere that this might very well be with tacit agreement from Pak

* India bombs terror camps and can show it's retaliation for the suicide attack.

* Pak has always denied existence of the camps - so of course they 'missed' and bombed empty ground. Helps them save face internally.

wickrom• 7 years ago

I wonder why this news is worthy of being discussed on HN?

amriksohata2• 7 years ago

Because 2 nuclear powers are going at each other

throwawayzkfg2• 7 years ago

This is highly irresponsible with the possibility of escalation of hostilities between the nuclear armed neighbors. As some one rightly pointed out nuclear powers carry the additional burden of restraint.

varunpant• 7 years ago

Yeah well, next time travel to Pakistan and try explaining "responsibilities" and "world peace" to them. I would love to observe that conversation.

throwawayzkfg2• 7 years ago

And this potential for escalation does not bother you?

amingilani2• 7 years ago

Honestly, with intense warmongering and politics being broadcast 24/7 in my country, I come to HN to discuss better than what one zealot wants to do to another. I already woke up to the news that India had crossed the border, felt sad, decided to browse HN for intellectually stimulating debate and found this instead.

Let's please stick to hacker-friendly content? This stuff will just invites a flamewar, and we've got enough war talk happening in the real world.

godelmachine4• 7 years ago

Did you feel sad when Pakistan harbored terrorists blow up innocents in India? Did you feel sad on 14th Feb when JeM attacked the military convoy trucks?

amingilani2• 7 years ago

I've had no concrete evidence of Pakistan harboring fugitives yet so I have no feeling either way. I'd condemn it if it were true.

I did feel sad even JeM attacked the military convey along with every Pakistani in my immediate surrounding. A loss of life is a terrible thing, and we've been victims of terrorism for years. I'm sorry, were you expecting a different response?

dang• 7 years ago

The nationalistic flamewar that you did in this thread is not acceptable on Hacker News. It will get you banned here regardless of how right you are, or how wrong others are, or how wrong you feel they are. Please do not post like this to HN again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mhq2• 7 years ago

A fool's election winning strategy is putting more than a few billion people at risk of nuclear apocalypse!

Note that the Pakistani analysts predicted this a long time ago (Indian opposition parties also understand this) that the Indian PM Modi would create a war like situation with Pakistan before their upcoming elections.

mhq2• 7 years ago

Example: https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1072387135485943808 "After BJP defeat in state elections & Pakistan's masterstroke in Kartarpur, Indian estab. is on backfoot. Don't rule out false flags in Kashmir & India (esp. INC ruled Punjab) followed by border skirmishes with Pak to revive Hindutva nationalism ahead of 2019 G.E. Ram Mandir too."

amriksohata2• 7 years ago

Oh dear the ISI machine is out :D

niteshade• 7 years ago

Hey dang, there's some problematic comments[1][2] in here from godelmachine. As far as I'm aware (and at the very least in the UK), calling someone a "paki" is a slur.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19254972

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19255009

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