College is Overrated

http://www.mikekarnj.com/blog/2010/11/10/higher-education-is-overrated/

by adambourg • 16 years ago

35 18 16 years ago

College is completely overrated. We need to debunk the myth that a college degree leads to success. It doesn’t lead to a higher salary or better career.

Well, it can. Though to me college is mostly my gateway to the careers I think I will enjoy and the knowledge & skills I desire.

sudont• 16 years ago

If I hadn't gone to college, I would have ended up in a dead-end janitorial or factory job, stuck in a small town and never have been exposed to fine arts and web development.

YooLi• 16 years ago

'College is overrated' is usually said by someone who became successful (I know, we can debate what 'successful' is, but I think everyone on HN can agree on a somewhat similar definition) without a degree or with a degree and then looks back and thinks they could have been successful 4 years sooner if they didn't waste time getting the degree. The problem with the statement, even if it 100% correct in their situation, is that it is not overrated in a lot of other situations.

I'll agree that there are a lot of degrees that have a low benefit to cost & time ratio (liberal arts, political science, etc.) where the statement probably applies well, but it is inaccurate for professions like medical doctors, electrical engineers, nuclear physicists, lawyers, and similar specializations.

xtac• 16 years ago

Not too sound biased as a pol sci degree holder but I think people grossly underestimate political science as a major.

mbm• 16 years ago

It's "to," man! I thought that degree was supposed to provide you with some writin' skillz?

mikekarnj• 16 years ago

I think you can say the same for people that aren't successful.

ShardPhoenix• 16 years ago

With the number of articles and comments on this topic, I think college is starting to become underrated around here.

nwmcsween• 16 years ago

Reading the article it seems like a big advertisement for his startup. Collage isn't overrated, people yammering about collage being overrated are usually the ones that didn't go and don't understand that nearly all students go to it because they want to learn more from brighter minds about what they love.

cantbecool• 16 years ago

Every time I walk out of class at uni, I keep thinking about this "You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fucking education you coulda got for a dollah fifty in late charges at the public library. - Will from Good Will Hunting

sp4rki• 16 years ago

I agree completely that college is completely overrated, but only regarding its ability a to create a successful professional. I think everyone should get at least a bachelors degree in their life on whatever field they are interested in, but they should do so because of a drive to expand their knowledge instead of making a degree a proverbial stepping stone to great-dom.

That being said, if you have the determination, patience, and drive to extract such education yourself by means of books, practice, and mentors, why should you not be allowed to become a Doctor, a Nuclear Physicist, or an Architect?

Our educational system is broken, a degree doesn't mean scoot, and everyone should be able to take a test (of various tests actually) to prove that he posses the skills and knowledge to do a job. I understand not letting a 20 year old operate on a patient because he passed an exam, but if the kid passed a standardized exam that proves he has the knowledge and capability to become a resident, why shouldn't he be able to? The same applies to all careers that are potentially 'dangerous', the requirements should be simple, pass an exam and get some experience under a mentor (via an internship, paid or unpaid).

grav1tas• 16 years ago

I agree. It's a faith vs. good works type of argument. If you love your field, it's not necessary that you put the footwork in to land a degree in it....but typically a degree can be considered a sign of one's drive to learn more about a subject they personally enjoy. A degree is a reflection of desired personal growth in an area. It's not meant to serve as a certification of one's command of a subject.

EvanSkillshare• 16 years ago

I definitely agree with your statements, and I think this is in line with the mission of Skillshare, the author's new startup. People should be learning for the sake of learning! We need to rework our terminology when it comes to speaking about the value of an education; we should be thinking in terms of learning, not economics.

By the way, if you guys are really into the topic, then you should check out Skillshare's latest project on Kickstarter, an animated video (one of those kinetic typography types) about the impending Student Loan Crisis: http://kck.st/d0MG8o

jbooth• 16 years ago

Whether or not he's right, this particular guy should've taken a couple more writing classes while he had the chance.

izendejas• 16 years ago

The reason Obama, Bill Gates, et all promote college is because there's a huge difference between a Google and a Facebook--not to underestimate the latter. And notice that they more likely usually promote STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering and Math), not just any college.

Could Brin/Page or anyone, for that matter, have come up with a Google without finishing an undergrad degree in CS and some graduate Studies at a school like Stanford? Very unlikely. Google required a bit more than creativity. It required great hacking and also knowledge of the complexity in information retrieval problems which you didn't get back then with online lectures (what lectures?) on dial-up, etc.

Meanwhile, Facebook as great as a company that it is, mostly borrowed ideas and tweaked them a bit with "exclusivity," a clean design, etc. Not saying that isn't admirable, but yes, it doesn't require graduate level work, just creativity and a lot of hard work to get jumpstarted. And I bet Zuckerberg didn't start hiring high school dropouts/grads to help him scale his site, etc. Surely there were a few, but I doubt they accounted for many.

So if you want to build the next Facebook, you better be hard-working, smart, and creative.

If you want to build the next Google, you better be that and learn about the next challenges in machine learning, information retrieval, data parallelism, etc. And that more than likely requires that you learn it from the experts--ie, more than likely not your average college/high school dropout.

zazi• 16 years ago

I just want to point out my own (different) experience with college. College was a life changing experience for me. I went there to learn and get as much out of it as possible. And I did! It definitely was not overrated for me.

So college might be suited for some people, and not others. But just because it doesn't suit some people, it doesn't mean that the statement 'College is overrated' is true per se.

toddh• 16 years ago

Becoming a well rounded human being has definitely become underrated. College isn't just for votech. It's where you learn all the civilization stuff that locates you in the human family.

ez77• 16 years ago

At this rate, there will surely come a time where college will be underrated.

pkghost• 16 years ago

College is a time for exploring the expanses of human knowledge, the beauty of human relationships, and the depths of the human soul (1).

I can think of no other social construct or institution that provides as many broad avenues for personal growth as college (2). Children are limited by their lack of sufficient socialization, professionals and laborers are obligated to focus constantly if not narrowly, and those who have committed to marriage or parenthood pour energy into their loved ones.

College is not life's panacea, nor, I hope, is it the best time of your life, but it certainly can be more than just a bad bet.

(1) Let's not forget bottles, bongs, bottoms, and beats.

(2) There are plenty of alternatives for the intrepid.

College is Overrated

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