Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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by xbmcuser • 8 years ago

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cauldron2• 8 years ago

They are boycotting Canadian brands.

nutcracker465• 8 years ago

The boycotts are hollow when Chinese airlines continue to buy Boeing and Bombardier jets.

bhouston• 8 years ago

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great.

It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

devoply4• 8 years ago

When Trump said this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/politics/trump-china-huawei-c...

Canada should've jumped on it and used it as an excuse to let her go as she would not be receiving a fair trial in the US. In general the extradition treaty that Canada has with the US needs revision badly as it forces Canada to turn over anyone to the US without much process. There should be a lot more process involved before Canada turns over anyone to the US.

throwaway20482• 8 years ago

The point of an extradition treaty is you beleive the other country has a reasonably fair and just justice system, or at least one roughly comparable to your own. If you force a full trial for extradition, there is no point to treaties like that to begin with.

DeonPenny4• 8 years ago

But everyone knows he can't and the fact that he didn't know she'd be arrested is proof. Making legal matter political is how you get corruption

bluntfang• 8 years ago

It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

Are you trying to say the US didn't start this? lol

dahfizz• 8 years ago

I think OP is Canadian.

gpm4• 8 years ago

This is us choosing to help enforce sanctions against Iran, when we have sanctions against Iran ourselves. The only reason she's being extradited instead of charged locally is that she was dealing with American companies instead of Canadian companies. It's entirely consistent with treaty, and the rule of law. As such it is the right action regardless of any trade war with China. (As I understand it... I would like a more in depth analysis of the legal situation than any of the news articles I saw had)

If China can't handle us following and enforcing our laws, we should stop trading with them, not stop enforcing the law.

Fricken2• 8 years ago

The feds don't care about that, the Iran shit is just the technicality they called her on so they could use Wanzhou as a bartering chip in their trade war.

Like when Julian Assange was charged with rape, they just needed an excuse to try and have him extradited to America, it's not the real reason they were out to get him.

DeonPenny4• 8 years ago

The bigger problem is that someone your economically locked to retaliated with kidnapping Canadian citizens over the arrest of the owner of a company. It'd be like Canada arresting Salena Gomez just because justin bieber did illegal things in the US. It's a slippery slope to just allow countries to pressure each other in that way.

karmasimida2• 8 years ago

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

gruez3• 8 years ago

Canada can choose to walk away

What is "walking away" in this context? Releasing Meng, and in the process, reneging on the extradition treaty?

kerng• 8 years ago

Canada is not stuck in between, they know exactly which side they are on. It's pretty obvious.

nutcracker465• 8 years ago

They are not stuck. They are adhering to the principle called rule of law, where the accused are extradited, tried in court, and guilt is based on evidence instead of family status.

cauldron2• 8 years ago

The problem here is not that China retailated against Canada coz the US.

China has retailated against South Korea, Japan and Sweden, Canada is just waiting in the line, it's just a matter of when, they will find the cause.

The problem here is not China acted now, is that they can and will act like this successfully and without consequences. CCP just love to stoke and ride this hatred, they need moments like this to cement themselves.

You don't see China and Chinese threatening to retaliate agaisnt and boycott America (they just did and basically failed), coz they know they can't yet, but any other country? it's really just when.

nutcracker465• 8 years ago

I sense an argument that it would be easier for everyone to simply let Meng walk away. What, is she more special than another bloke who lies to the bank about transactions? If yes, let us flush rule of law down the toilet.

Whoosh! Now the only rule is Darwinism.

rubatuga• 8 years ago

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

fro0116• 8 years ago

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for?

On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

DeonPenny4• 8 years ago

Technically the canadians are in jail for working illegally in China.

candiodari• 8 years ago

From a Canadian viewpoint, the CFO has not committed any crime. She was arrested at the request of the US, for fraud charges related to export restrictions. As far as I know, no exact charge has been specified, either in Canada or in the US.

In Canada she is attempting to prevent getting extradited.

j16sdiz• 8 years ago

China have introduce very strict rules for NGO last year: http://www.chinafile.com/ngo/latest/fact-sheet-chinas-foreig...

Basically, a foreign NGO need to register with the government to continue their work in China.

Some of the NGO is still working on getting the approval. These two Canadians were working with one of those NGO.

bilbo0s2• 8 years ago

Can anyone point to some unbiased ... sources ...

"No", is the short answer.

You simply have to read the position of all sides, and then make your own decisions. Any source that people will point you to, is going to be biased in some fashion.

mirimir2• 8 years ago

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove.

0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

nutcracker465• 8 years ago

That's a viewpoint of a bullshit legal system of thugs, based on the accused being guilty until proven innocent.

bilbo0s2• 8 years ago

This is what a lot of people don't realize, no matter what country you are in, you are always guilty of something.

I'm an American, in America, and I'm 100% certain that I'm in violation of at least one of the over 40,000 laws and regulations that exist on the federal level. (And that doesn't even count the state and local laws and ordinances.)

Here's the thing though, I have no idea which laws and regulations I'm currently in violation of.

So all a country has to do is pick someone. Just arrest them, and assuming a sufficiently complex legal system, whoever they arrest will be in violation of some law. As regular people we just can't help it. We have no ability to maintain an awareness of every law and regulation we are subject to and stay in compliance with them.

So if you're Canadian or American, and you're not someone with the resources or clout to protect yourself from all of this, I'd strongly urge you to consider business models that allow you to operate at a distance from Asia. No one wants to be the dumb patsy sitting in a Chinese prison for 10 years because China and the US want to throw temper tantrums with each other.

nimbius• 8 years ago

The US obsession with huawei is at best, a corporate witch-hunt. Its a case of wanting to have your cake, and eat it too.

You cannot spend 40 years outsourcing manufacturing for near-term profit, and expect to maintain longer term revenue as a market leader. Sooner or later, your cheap manufacturers will outpace you in quality, price, and features.

Just ask Harley Davidson. Their solution to high quality competition from Yamaha and Honda was, albeit less aggressive than this, protectionist legislation.

ziont• 8 years ago

It is not a witch hunt-All Five Eyes countries have independently come to the same conclusion.

There is very little reason to trust corporate China, they have a horrible track record of breaking rules, cutting corners, cheating, hell even the regulators don't trust their own numbers.

It's not far fetched that a country which steals IP because they don't have the means to produce people that come up with these valuable IPs, would do everything in their power to subvert, infiltrate and manipulate to achieve their objective.

It's like this. China has really bad street cred. People buy their product because its cheap, but that's about as far as the trust from West goes.

Don't act surprised when China comes under extra scrutiny and fails the test. It's already happened to steel, ship building where companies no longer trust Chinese quality, and the trade war has largely benefitted the Korea and Japanese as a result.

Overtonwindow• 8 years ago

It’s become apparent that in the world of technology you cannot trust China. Rightfully earned or not, instead of arresting people, I think the Chinese communist state should do more to instill trust in people.

threatofrain• 8 years ago

Other companies are boycotting Apple, which is battling with Huawei for second place among the world's smartphone producers.
A machinery maker in Shenzhen, where Huawei is based, threatened to confiscate Apple devices from employees and fire those who did not comply. Menpad, a Shenzhen-based tech company, said it would punish employees who buy Apple products. Finally, Shenzhen Yidaheng Technology said it would fine staffers who bought iPhones the equivalent amount of their device, while other companies threaten to withhold bonuses.

Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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