Ask HN: Freelancers of HN, how do you automate cash management?

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by ljoshua • 8 years ago

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All freelancers, contractors, and otherwise non-W2 employees on Hacker News, what have you found to be the best tools/solutions for automating things like tax estimations and payments, savings deposits, contributions to IRAs, etc.? Does anybody even out monthly income by making regular, set-rate payments to themselves from their business account, or do you typically just take big payments and deposit it all at once, feast or famine style?

I’ve been both an employee with great benefits (past), as well as an independent consultant for several years (current), so I understand both sides of the coin well, but I’m looking to take my independent income stream to the next level so that I can reap the benefits of what regular employment would normally provide (think: smarter savings, investing, and payments).

Seems like a lot of this could be set on autopilot and result in more wise cash management and better end results. Would love to hear other people’s success stories.

remyp• 8 years ago

I do this 100% manually with the help of a CPA. It's far too important to trust some app to handle for me.

jryan49• 8 years ago

Agreed. A lot more time and money will be wasted trying to automate this. A CPA is not that expensive.

IpV8• 8 years ago

Excel Spreadsheets

BjoernKW• 8 years ago

I've adopted profit-first accounting (https://profitfirstbook.com/), which basically boils down to: For any revenue you generate set aside a fixed percentage of that revenue for both taxes and profit.

It's a habit rather than an automated process, though. There's no banking software that I know of that allows you to automatically initiate a new bank transfer for any incoming funds.

jermaustin13• 8 years ago

There is a service call Track (https://www.track.tax/) that kind of does this specifically for self-employment taxes.

It wouldn't be TOO dificult to implement a similar service for yourself that did a bank transfer of X% using plaid+stripe. Problem is that it would cost 0.8% (max $5) per transfer.

jermaustin13• 8 years ago

For me, my money is mostly automated through taking payments via ACH and Credit Cards, that are deposited directly into my business checking... well, except one client that insists on sending me a check every time, but even this is roughly automated (a check scanner on my desk at home).

I've used Quick Books Online and Gusto for years, now, and I don't really have to think about it.

I am an S-Corp, so I have to pay myself a W2 with a reasonable salary. So I deposit all of the business income at once into my business checking account, and Gusto (for a pretty hefty fee) direct deposits my paycheck weekly into my personal accounts.

QBO only takes a few minutes each week (or month if I'm lazy) to go in an categorize expenses and income, then at the end of every "tax quarter", I look at my profit for previous period, and cut a check for 20%.

Then at the end of the year, my CPA goes over everything and does all of the year end stuff that I don't understand, and moves registers around and categorizes stuff that I did wrong throughout the year.

source99• 8 years ago

I pay for zenefits. I have my own company and I pay myself a salary and zenefits takes care of all taxes and government forms. It’s not that cheap (I think $400 for the year) but I never have to think or worry about forms or taxes until I file my full taxes at the end of the year with my accountant.

jakobegger• 8 years ago

Usually, if you are a contractor or small business with less than 5 people, an Excel spread sheet should be sufficient to get a rough idea of how much money you need to set aside for expenses & taxes. From that, I knew that I had to set aside roughly 50% of my revenue (in the beginning).

The details are best left to your accountant / tax advisor, who will book everything correctly once a month / quarter / year, depending on the details of what kind of business you run.

Now that my income is pretty stable, I just "pay" myself a monthly salary (since I am a "sole proprietor", there isn't really a legal difference between me and my company, so this just means moving money from my business account to my personal account).

At the end of the year, I see how much money is left over and I put it in a savings account.

I've tried all kids of automation, but I found that just creating a manual excel spreadsheet is the easiest, and the most flexible.

hrirnrnf• 8 years ago

Excel Spreadsheet

fakeElonMusk2• 8 years ago

Similar to a few other comments, I use Intuit payroll (Gusto might be better in terms of UI and support) and pay myself as an employee through S-Corp. Every US freelance should structure things this way IMO, so that you can take advantage of 401k contribution and company match. You can match up to 50k roughly and that match is a business expense, so you get the money plus a deduction. As you said, this is reaping the benefits of regular employment, with the additional benefit of being able to crank up the company match in years where you make more (or can pay yourself less).

In terms of cash management, I do quarterly transfers to Vanguard which is the 401k admin. Then 1-2 times per year I pay myself a close approximation of my final S-Corp distribution (plus regular monthly payroll).

jermaustin13• 8 years ago

Why did you chose to go with a 401k instead of a SEP-IRA?

fakeElonMusk2• 8 years ago

I could have done a SEP but AFAIK the only difference is supposed to be less expenses vs. a 401k, but my 401k plan admin has very low fees. Also not sure if the SEP allows for a pre-tax benefit for the employee.

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