IE9 Outperforms Other Browsers for HTML5 Compliance

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by Garbage • 16 years ago

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DjDarkman3• 16 years ago

The chart shows: "Internet Explorer Preview 6".

michael_dorfman• 16 years ago

That's right, IE9 Platform Preview 6 is the release that was rolled out at the PDC last week,

http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft-launches-Internet-...

DjDarkman3• 16 years ago

I don't think this so called test/benchmark has everything that is under the HTML5 umbrella. It lacks WebSQLDatabase, Geolocation, offline storage, CSS3(debatable) and many more.

So since this test is not complete, I call this article: false advertising.

pornel4• 16 years ago

WebSQL has been dropped in favour of IndexedDB (both are separate specs).

Geolocation has been removed from the main HTML5 spec.

CSS3 is not HTML5 and that fact is not debatable at W3C.

ez77• 16 years ago

  CSS3 is not HTML5 and that fact is not debatable at W3C.

I don't understand: the ongoing efforts seem to be centralized at http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work

DjDarkman3• 16 years ago

> CSS3 is not HTML5 and that fact is not debatable at W3C.

HTML5 is like AJAX, it's just an umbrella term in reality. When you hear "AJAX library" you probably think of a library that does a lot more than just HTTP requests. Same goes for HTML, it's almost useless without some CSS.

> Geolocation has been removed from the main HTML5 spec.

InnerHTML wasn't in the spec originally, but everyone used/had it anyway because it was a good idea.

> WebSQL has been dropped in favour of IndexedDB (both are separate specs).

It was dropped only from Firefox, just like h.264, but that didn't stop anybody from using it. Some browsers have IndexedDB, some have WebSQL. IndexedDB was just a work in progress last time I checked, WebSQL already had existing implementations.

AndrewDucker3• 16 years ago

The article links directly to the tests on W3.org - where they are clearly endorsed by the HTML Working Group.

If you want tests to cover other areas then feel free to submit them, or encourage others to do so.

johnmmix• 16 years ago

Would seem to be more of a test of canvas than HTML5 in its entirity, given that over three quarters of the tests (179 out of 233) are canvas related.

Also, I'm not sure how seriously I can take an HTML5 conformance report that doesn't actually validate correctly (<center> element!?):

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://test.w3.org/html/te...

StavrosK• 16 years ago

In other news, record low temperatures were recorded in hell.

pornel4• 16 years ago

IE team has been donating test cases to W3C, and of course they have 100% compliance with test cases they've published.

Historically nobody wanted to write test cases. I think Microsoft/W3C now discovered incentive to do so…

AndrewDucker3• 16 years ago

Well, that should give other teams an incentive to write test cases, shouldn't it?

Unless someone is saying that the MS-submitted ones are incorrect, I fully endorse their submission.

ZeroGravitas2• 16 years ago

Many of them were incorrect when first published (by Microsoft themselves) but I assume that's been fixed.

confuzatron• 16 years ago

If people keep writing test cases, eventually we might know what HTML5 is!

9ec4c12949a4f3• 16 years ago

Funny how chrome gets 100 on the acid3 and ie9 gets a 95.

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/benchmarks/Acid3/Default.h...

GrandMasterBirt2• 16 years ago

Funny indeed. I mean look, IE9 is definitely a BIG and most excellent step in the right direction. If only it was supported on Win XP. If we can get rid of IE8 and have the few top-notch browsers start going head-to-head with features and getting updated regularly, it would be a good day indeed.

sid0• 16 years ago

Both MS and Mozilla have explicitly stated that they're not going to get 100 in Acid3.

othermaciej• 16 years ago

The results table is also extremely misleading. There are many tests with no results for a particular browser, and in some cases the table gives a 0% score for no results in a category, and in other cases 100% for, say, two passes plus a bunch of "no results". At this point, you should probably treat the percentages as random numbers, not meaningful metrics of anything.

See here and followups for discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/20...

FluidDjango• 16 years ago

Why did ReadWriteWeb omit the needed subtitle:

"IE CSS3 compliance continues to bring up the rear"

famsam• 16 years ago

Get back to me when IE passes a significant battery of Firefox-submitted tests. W3C is owned by Microsoft at a time when Microsoft has lost all right to call themselves a browser vendor for any purpose other than to harm the browser market.

Get back to me when IE 9 runs on any of the thousands of machines in my company, where Windows Vista/7 is a non-starter at least for the next two years. Get back to me when it is able to run on any machine I have at home. It never will. With the possible exception of Safari, every other browser tested runs everywhere required, I think.

AndrewDucker3• 16 years ago

If Mozilla want to submit tests then there's nothing stopping them doing so.

portman• 16 years ago

> W3C is owned by Microsoft

It is?

alexknight• 16 years ago

Microsoft has an interest and is a member of the W3C. They do not own them though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3c

petsos• 16 years ago

How come they didn't test a WebKit nightly as well? All other browsers are either latest betas or alpha(!).

lwhi2• 16 years ago

This is very good, I'm glad the team have done such a good job - but I don't think the IE team will manager to 'win back' developers unless IE9 can replace IE6/7 and 8.

Ideally IE9 needs to fix the problems that the older legacy browsers created. Because it can't be run on Windows XP, IE9 can only complement the mistakes that were previously made.

brudgers• 16 years ago

My suspicion is that part of the motivation for IE9 is encourage upgrades from XP. Otherwise, there isn't much of an economic basis for its development because unlike Chrome, IE doesn't send every keystroke in the address bar to a server for analysis.

lwhi2• 16 years ago

I agree - that's the main motivation .. but realistically, a lot of people will stick with Windows XP.

Microsoft rarely seems to think that altruism can align with good business sense, and I think it suffers because of this.

rimantas• 16 years ago

What is IE9 score on http://html5test.com/ ?

bretthopper• 16 years ago

Not that this test is official or anything, but IE9 beta gets 96. Preview 6 gets 106.

abraham• 16 years ago

Two important notes: current stable version of Chrome 7 so beta of IE9 should be compared with Chrome 8. Say it takes 6 months for IE9 to go gold, in that time Chrome stable will have had two more releases bringing it up to 9 which will probably contain a number of enhancements to close the gape if not over take IE9.

GrandMasterBirt2• 16 years ago

Yea every time I look at MS's site, they compare apples to rotting discarded oranges. "Look, our apples are quite superior!"

The charts are showing only the tests IE9 excel at, which is a fraction of the picture.

The tests also compare IE9 vs current stable releases. I want to see that comparison against beta releases.

Oh wait lets also write down what operating systems IE9 is compatible with:

Google Chrome: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OSX, Linux

Firefox: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OSX, *nix

Opera: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OSX, Linux

IE9: Windows Vista, Windows 7

Oh look IE9 runs on only the latest MS operating system. They don't even support their own older OSes.

Lets not even get into the security aspects.

parenthesis• 16 years ago

OS support is a little more nuanced than that.

The latest version of Firefox for OS X requires at least version 10.4 (released 2005). Ditto for Opera.

Google Chrome requires at least 10.5 (released 2007), and doesn't support PPC (the transition to Intel was `completed' in 2007).

Windows Vista went to retail in 2007.

Firefox, Opera and Chrome all still work on Windows XP though.

tvon• 16 years ago

That sure is an enterprise test runner they've got there, couldn't they come up with something more like http://html5test.com/ ?

staktrace• 16 years ago

If you want to see how browsers stack up on finalized web specifications, I find http://www.webdevout.net/ is the single best place to go.

bwooceli• 16 years ago

HTML5 compliance is fine and good, but I'm mostly concerned with how often I'll have to fix a broken layout grid etc.

If I hadn't checked myself into Compulsive Domain Buyers Anonymous already, I would grab ie9hacks.com and ie9bugs.com

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