54% of Web Video is now available in HTML5

http://blog.mefeedia.com/html5-oct-2010

by tvon • 16 years ago

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nfriedly• 16 years ago

Correction: 54% of Web Video is now available in HTML5

tvon4• 16 years ago

Good point, updated submission title to reflect that.

fsinton2• 16 years ago

Correct - thanks for picking up on that.

For Desktop/Laptop browsing, most sites still playback the Flash version. The capability to dynamically detect device and serve as HTML5 or Flash is the most significant change in the video space, with mobile playback via HTML5 being the market driver.

citricsquid• 16 years ago

I'd be interested in a breakdown of what contributes to those totals, sites like Youtube have a huge share in Video so it's not that out there to suggest that a single change they make could have such a huge impact internet wide. I know Youtube have been HTML5 for a while now so it isn't them, but it could be a similar site!

Edit: oh, I think I misread. They're counting individual videos, not sites. So while Youtube has HTML5 available to everyone not all videos support it. My mistake, disregard.

tibbon4• 16 years ago

I'm going to call bullshit, on the basis on porn. I have yet to see a porn page that is using HTML5 instead of Flash for streaming their video. Unless in the past 2-3 years the percentage of porn to other videos online has changed significantly, or the entirety of the 46% is porn, that number seems really high.

I just googled 'html5 porn' and there was something about YouPorn switching to HTML5, but then I went and checked, no HTML5. In fact, not only was the video flash, but there were 3 flash-based ads on the page as well. Good way to eat processor and kill batteries.

tvon4• 16 years ago

You're probably mostly right, but I don't think a porn site is likely to advertise adoption of HTML5, so you might try looking at the mobile sites they serve up to see what tech they're using.

I suspect MeFeedia doesn't index porn sites, but I went ahead and asked in the comments.

tibbon4• 16 years ago

I dunno, porn is all about niche right?

Here's an idea: PornForGeeks. HTML5 valid, HTML5 <video>, strong use of semantic tagging, 'smarter' ads, strong query engine, etc

j79• 16 years ago

I checked YP on my iPhone. Some videos were available.

I'm guessing until HTML5 with <video> support is more mainstream, sites that stream/host videos will target devices rather than browsers.

I'm guessing it's a lot of work (or resources) to re-encode your old videos (assuming they've got a copy somewhere), and not all companies are fortunate enough to be YouTube.

tibbon4• 16 years ago

Re-encoding old videos from Flash to another format seems like a pretty basic hadoop-style problem that you could easily implement on EC2.

Of course this isn't free, but I remember reading something about NYT converting 100 years of archives to PDFs for a rather trivial amount of money (and time) by doing it this way.

rimantas• 16 years ago

You googled it wrong. Try iphone porn.

tibbon4• 16 years ago

I dunno, the first one that comes up (http://www.iphoneporngrid.com/) doesn't use html5 (XHTML strict instead) and doesn't use the <video> tag. Just points to .mp4 files.

The second (mobile.mofosex.com) is all the way back on HTML 4.01 Transitional. It too doesn't use the <video> tag, and is just pushing m4v files.

The third, (XHTML 1.0 Transitional) is about the same.

In fact it took until the 7th result to get an HTML5 page (mobile.bangyoulater.com). Of course, it doesn't validate. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://mobile.bangyoulater... Really sloppy coding imho. It doesn't use the video tag however.

In fact, I wasn't able to find a single thing on the first page of Google that was:

1) HTML5 2) Used HTML5 for its video

with a special bonus star for one that validated. Not a single one.

sjs• 16 years ago

I think xvideos.com serves html5 video to iOS devices.

YooLi• 16 years ago

you need to be checking from an iOS device, not your desktop. I just checked YouPorn from my ipad (for research!) and it plays just fine.

EDIT: YouPorn, PornHub, Tube8, KeezMovies, ExtremeTube, Brazzers Mobile, all play videos fine on iPad, and that was just with 5 min of Googling. There appears to not be any shortage of mobile porn.

tvon4• 16 years ago

I suspect a lot of those just serve up H.264 directly and not via <video>

tvon4• 16 years ago

via http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/10/27/54-of-web-video-is-now... (which wasn't submitted because they didn't have a source at the time).

rmc3• 16 years ago

Saying "HTML5 Video" is misleading. There is no video encoding format for HTML5 video in the html5 spec. I could be using Firefox, which supports html5 video, go to a site that has html5 video in h264 format, then I can't see it, despite me using a html5 browser and the video being a html5 video.

WiseWeasel• 16 years ago

For now, we can assume that HTML5 video = h.264, since that's what the iDevices play.

rmc3• 16 years ago

Yes that's a fair assumption for the moment. It'll be interesting to see what happens with WebM

fsinton2• 16 years ago

Yes, you are right but we had to draw a line somewhere (last time lots of people got confused). Let me bring up some ogg stats for you to add to the discussion: it is less than 1% in total.

Most people who use Firefox are doing so on a laptop/desktop with the Flash plug-in installed - in that case, video sites just use Flash.

tomlin2• 16 years ago

I really do hate these "Flash hate-bait" narratives because it only regresses progress in making the video tag viable. Which is, above all else, the real goal.

HTML5 video does not support any sort of RTMP streaming. This is an undeniably important feature. Having to wait until a video loads before you can seek to a specific point is woefully disappointing for the end-user.

Not having a reliable base of encoding across all platforms is a real kick in the teeth as well.

vetinari• 16 years ago

In both .webm and .mp4, the index is/can be at the beginning of the file, so you don't have to wait until video loads.

Also, since HTTP 1.1 we have byte ranges, so in combination of above point, you can freely seek with HTTP-streamed videos.

ROFISH• 16 years ago

And Apple devices use "Live HTTP Streaming" as their alternative for real-time video.

tomlin2• 16 years ago

Thanks. That's great info.

jallmann• 16 years ago

RTMP is a terrible protocol to work with -- it is overdesigned and underspecified. RTSP is a much better alternative for video streaming. Unfortunately, none of the major browsers (yet) support rtsp:// streams in the audio/video tag.

In theory RTSP should be fairly easy for chromium, since it uses ffmpeg under the hood, which comes with a RTSP stack...

There is also http pseudostreaming, but that has its own set of problems too.

emehrkay• 16 years ago

> Having to wait until a video loads before you can seek to a specific point

That isn't true.

seanalltogether• 16 years ago

"Our final tally included only video that can be delivered within HTML5’s “video” tag. In the vast majority of cases, this means videos were encoded in H.264."

This is misleading because many providers use H.264 but don't have solutions for HTML5 video. Hulu for example uses a H.264 but uses a streaming server with drm protection on the stream that can only be played within the Flash player.

smackfu• 16 years ago

Plus the whole subset of "yes we support HTML5 video tags so it should work on your iPad/iPhone but we are banned from showing video on mobile devices so too bad." For instance, any music video on YouTube.

pornel• 16 years ago

No, it's not available. That's how Vimeo looks in Safari 5 with plug-ins disabled:

http://imgur.com/xrdlF.png (To watch this video, you need Flash 10. You have an old version of Flash. Click here to download the latest version.)

and there's no trace of <video> element in the source.

They only use HTML5 as a workaround for browsers with "iP" in User-Agent string.

Yaggo• 16 years ago

Sorry, but am I missing something? I'm currently watching a video on Vimeo with Safari 5 & plugins disabled. All you need to do is to click the "Switch to HTML5 player" link.

motters2• 16 years ago

I should probably reserve a bottle champagne, or some other celebratory indulgence, for the day that I no longer need to run Flash.

54% of Web Video is now available in HTML5

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