The Gun-Law Loophole That Entices Tycoons and Criminals to Play Cop

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-15/the-gun-law-loophole-that-entices-tycoons-and-criminals-to-play-c

by thisisit • 8 years ago

25 44 8 years ago

It seems simple enough to fix. Just add a paid hours requirement to the exemption, something like 500 hours in the previous 12 months or so.

Or just get rid of it entirely.

Kephael2• 8 years ago

Reserve police officers often undergo the same training and perform the same functions as full time law enforcement officers in many areas. There isn't any need for HR218 changes and police standards are set on a state by state basis.

http://www.lapdonline.org/join_the_team/content_basic_view/5...

maxerickson4• 8 years ago

We disagree that it is okay for wealthy people to buy badges.

I'm pretty okay with letting reserve officers that don't do a lot of duty fall through the cracks, that's a better tradeoff than selling Stephen Seagull a badge.

dbasedweeb• 8 years ago

Police are notoriously horrible marksmen, so color me unimpressed. Check out the citations here, from a very pro-gun site: https://bearingarms.com/mike-m/2016/06/02/individual-safety-...

trill_bill3• 8 years ago

Or make it easier to conceal carry a weapon through all 50 states. It's completely natural to arm oneself for self defense. Criminalizing this is criminalizing our human nature to be prepared and ready.

generaltsos• 8 years ago

This sounds more like a problem with accountability for police departments than a fundamental flaw in LEOSA. Bloomberg is fundamentally opposed to any sort of pro-2A stance, however, so they would much rather blame the supposedly-lenient gun laws.

jbob2000• 8 years ago

Considering it's nigh impossible to get police departments to be accountable (who watches the watchmen?), I'm siding with Bloomberg that if we want to solve this problem, we'll have to change the laws first (and hopefully accountability will follow).

trill_bill3• 8 years ago

If you didn't need a license to exercise a constitutional right this shady shit wouldn't exist.

lightbyte• 8 years ago

There is no constitutional right for the concealed-carry of a gun.

thrill• 8 years ago

The Constitution doesn't address whether the right to bear arms is either open or concealed carry. The Constitution does not grant this right - it, among others, is considered a natural right, applicable to the free people. It only lists this right, among others, to emphasize that government is not supposed to infringe upon it. We all see how poorly that enumerated philosophy is followed, understood, accepted, or defended.

vokep• 8 years ago

I think that depends on your view.

There is no constitutional right for the concealed carry of a gun, based on your view of what the second amendment means.

pps43• 8 years ago

It's hard to argue that "bear arms" means something other than "carry a gun".

I don't think open vs. concealed matters in this context. It's probably even easier to "play a cop" with open carry.

gorgonian• 8 years ago

The Constitution mandates that people have the right to bear arms; it doesn't specify about concealed carry or open carry. Yet I, as a Californian, can do neither. Open carry is illegal in California, and only a small few can get a concealed carry permit (varies by county). It is very clear that Californians' constitutional rights are being "infringed".

trill_bill3• 8 years ago

Only if you some how believe that carrying a concealed weapon isn't bearing arms.

Frondo7• 8 years ago

Is there any constitutional right that isn't also regulated with all manner of laws on top of it? Why would the gun one be any different?

LyndsySimon3• 8 years ago

I can’t think of another that is completely denied to whole groups of people at the state level.

I can’t think of another where the stakes are so high for even relatively minor unintentional violations.

repomeat• 8 years ago

Granting authorities from county to county use different and arbitrary criteria for licensing to concealed carry. Many counties including the one I live in don't authorize permits for law abiding citizens, no matter how well trained, for self defense. I'm a serious competitive shooter (USPSA 3gun), I shoot trap and 5-stand, and I am an avid hunter. I have attended over 100 hours of defensive pistol training, and yet, I cannot qualify for a concealed carry license in my county of residence because the Sheriff will only give them to cronies and political backers. This is what creates the badge factories, which I personally do not support. I'd rather your county of residence have stringent criteria, extensive mandatory training, and frequent re-qualification, where only highly proficient, and highly trained citizens are permitted to carry.

metabagel• 8 years ago

And a comprehensive background check and psychological examination.

alphabettsy• 8 years ago

A man was killed in Tulsa by a wealthy “volunteer” deputy. This is all part of a larger problem of police accountability and training more than gun laws.

wl2• 8 years ago

There is no 50 state concealed carry license. In many states, applicants for licenses must be residents of that state. This makes armed security that can follow protectees across any state border impossible without such legal hacks.

Frondo7• 8 years ago

So? States should be free to decide the terms of concealed gun carriers in their states.

If you're rich enough to travel with people with hidden guns, you can get them licensed in the states you plan to visit.

gmiller1234562• 8 years ago

you can get them licensed in the states you plan to visit

You should reread the OP, many states do not allow non-residents to get permits. So someone who needed body guards would need a different set of body guards for every state they visit that doesn't honor their permit.

masonic• 8 years ago

Many states recognize CCW licenses from other states.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/

imleft• 8 years ago

Bill of rights has a something similar.

mnm1• 8 years ago

The problem that they are carrying concealed weapons is minor compared to the problem of giving out cop badges for money. Just when I thought I couldn't respect cops less, they do this. It's not a few bad apples, it's a barrel full of only rotten apples.

The Gun-Law Loophole That Entices Tycoons and Criminals to Play Cop

Related Stories