Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/20/british-surgeon-helped-syrian-operations-hacked-reveal-secret/

by rjmunro • 8 years ago

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slivym• 8 years ago

I'm too young to remember the first cold war, but it seems totally insane to me that Russia is carrying out repeated war crimes routinely now, and the West is literally doing nothing to address it.

pjc50• 8 years ago

It is horrendous. I suspect the reason it's not addressed is that Russia has a list of alleged war crimes carried out by Western-supported forces, and so long as the victims are mostly Arab the West doesn't care.

dmichulke• 8 years ago

It's not insane if you consider the West is doing the very same thing (committing war crimes) but Western media doesn't report in the same way about it. Just check what the Americans did in Iraq, whom they deliver their weapons in Syria to, ...

One thing I always ask myself:

The war in Syria is basically won by the regime, so why the heck would they now resort to bombing hospitals and C-weapon attacks on the population? It just doesn't make sense so that's why I am very cautious here.

This is not to say that Russia is good and the US is bad, it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth"

knowThySelfx2• 8 years ago

Indeed, people have become skeptical of the mainstream narrative. Why does that happen? Because things don't add up.

220V_USKettle2• 8 years ago

"Reichstag Fire"?

hutzlibu• 8 years ago

", it's just that "The first casualty of War is Truth""

And that with the war on terror, we are in war constantly since 2001. But apparently this was not enough and we need the old enemy again.

WHoWHo3• 8 years ago

Like the US is carrying out repeated war crimes and the West does nothing - or the "East" for that matter. If something goes to court in the US if it even does, punishment is light [2] and pushed down to the lowest levels (Lynndie England got 2 years [1]). Or pushed by the president (Drone kills without a declaration of war).

If you have nuclear weapons and a large defence budget, you can do whatever you like to other countries.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Officers

icebraining4• 8 years ago

Drone kills without a declaration of war

That's not a war crime in itself.

slowmotiony• 8 years ago

Probably because it's propaganda.

fdsak7• 8 years ago

West has done too much in the middle east that we are here. It was West to find WMD, CMDs and to install so-called democracy here and there, it was not Russia. I think Russian is doing the necessary cleanup the West as made.

EliRivers5• 8 years ago

I went to a private talk in the last few days presented by an experienced member of the UK Foreign Office; said speaker regularly advises ministers and the Foreign Minister.

The question of Russia came up very strongly, and as I understand it (everything that follows is effectively what that speaker said) the feeling is that they're going to just keep doing things, testing the limits, seeing what they can do without repercussion. The deployment of chemical weapons on the streets of the UK in peacetime (which, the talker suggested, would have been absolutely off the table during the Cold War) is just another step in seeing how far the West can be pushed without doing anything. Shielding the government of Syria so they can routinely deploy chemical weapons in their civil war is another example; Russia will just keep taking liberties until they find where the limit is (if there is a limit). Not so long ago, the deployment of chemical weapons was considered a very serious thing; Russia has put them back on the table while the West sits on its hands.

I have to wonder if there is a limit, or if we will continue to put prosperity above security to the point that Russia has free reign to do what it likes (up until it runs into someone who will object, beyond Europe).

DaiPlusPlus• 8 years ago

But to what end? What is their endgame? The USSR testing boundaries in the Cold War made sense because they needed real data for their concrete plans to cross the Rhine and conquer Western Europe - that’s what the Cold War was all about! Now it’s 2018 and I know Russia has lost their designs on Germany and France and seem primarily motivated to maintain a buffer territory, but testing limits is only going to move Russia’s neighbors into NATO - whereas if they at least played-by-the-rules and not acted so hostile and belligerent then it’s possivle they’d still hold a far more legitimate sway over eastern Ukraine and maybe even the Balkans.

fdsak7• 8 years ago

How you believe that behind those CWs it was Russian ? In last few Decades we have not found a single truth from Western so-called civilized leadership, all lies, straight. Just take the example of WMD. Even this time if its truth that Russia is behind those CW, let it be because they lied to international community in the past so blatantly that all their words look lies.Its time West should pay to what they have done to Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere.

I am pretty sure that UK is lying again, by the way.

dvfjsdhgfv2• 8 years ago

Is there any proof that it was Russia? Anything, even a shred of evidence? I see only a weasel expression "believed to" - not explaining by who and why.

fdsak7• 8 years ago

These dirty trick they always play when they see that fair play will not given them any advantage in their economical and political goals. All the yardsticks they use be superior are b.s now I think, like democracy, freedom of press/speech, human rights etc. Instead they are least democratic and free states run by conglomerate of capitalist like selling their rights with soap and diapers.

arcticfox• 8 years ago

The hospital had been bombed at least 17 times, but Mr Nott believes that the only way that they could have got the precise co-ordinates of the operating theatre was through his method of directing the operation.

This article seems like total baloney to me. A hospital gets bombed for the 18th time and a doctor thinks it can only happen because his Skype got hacked?

(Of course, the more compelling story is that Russia bombed another hospital, but that's not the crux of this article.)

knowThySelfx2• 8 years ago

Slightly off topic, but still relevant to Syria. Makes one wonder why ISIS never attacked their sworn enemies (Israel). In fact once they accidentally attacked and apologized. Now which militant org does that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-is...

dvfjsdhgfv2• 8 years ago

Because fighting with several enemies at once is the sure way to lose a war?

avip• 8 years ago

There’s not a single factual support to justify that title. Should b flagged.

bobuk• 8 years ago

doctor have used skype and whatsapp for sending very private information about his patients. This is the most important part of the article.

So now we have all this GDPR and doctors who's openly share personal information through skype at the same time.

icebraining4• 8 years ago

I don't think the GDPR applies to underground Syrian hospitals.

rjmunro• 8 years ago

It seems unlikely to me that hacking the doctor would allow precise localisation of the operating theatre within the hospital complex. It could maybe reveal there is a hospital in the area, but it's been hit 17 times before, so it doesn't seem necessary.

I think it's more likely that the hospital is regularly bombed, and this time the operating theatre is where they happened to hit.

What should happen is that the Doctor's computers should be sent for computer forensics to see if there is any evidence of this hack. There is no mention of this happening.

Hackers 'led warplanes to Syrian hospital' after targeting surgeon's computer

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