Ask HN: What is business process automation?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1610124

by haliax • 16 years ago

7 9 16 years ago

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It seems like visual AppleScript for business / apps that aren't scriptable...but there can't be an entire industry built on that, can there?

inerte3• 16 years ago

Sure it can, my team is working on a process automation which involves replacing manual SAP form filling with a some virtual machines doing it 24/7.

Currently some person receives an Excel file and alt+tabs frantically to SAP, taking ~9 minutes to fill its several forms. We'll replace this "process" with a XML file and a bot, which does everything in ~1 minute.

It's easier, cheaper, faster and less riskier than asking SAP to have some type of API or access to its DB.

Welcome to enterprise IT :)

haliax2• 16 years ago

Mind if I pick your brain about this? My aim is thelemonkiller and my email address is devan.lochees@gmail.com

inerte3• 16 years ago

Sent you an email.

rlpb• 16 years ago

> It's easier, cheaper, faster and less riskier than asking SAP to have some type of API or access to its DB.

Less riskier? Really? I'd be worried about accidentally ending up making changes on a completely unrelated screen, or accidentally hitting "delete" instead of "modify" or something like that after some ordering somewhere changes. Or perhaps some unescaped data ends up manipulating the GUI instead of being entered in as data (eg. a tab).

At least with an API data is parameterized (cf. bobby tables) and the operations that you are doing are fixed.

inerte3• 16 years ago

I think I could have expanded on that.

The "riskier" part is about DB access. In most environment, the powers that be will not allow you to touch it (correctly), doing INSERTS/DELETES/ETC. So you can pass through the risk management gate a form-filler robot, while if you ask for direct DB access you'll hear a "no".

Anyway, even if you read me associating risk+API, I said "it's less riskier than asking SAP for an API". If your project depends on SAP doing anything, you have a high risk of not happening :p

_delirium• 16 years ago

A lot of it really is just that, though as you get complicated interactions and a mess of "if this, then do this, otherwise first look this up then do that based on what you find", it starts to look a little more like expert-system-style AI, which is fairly involved (how do you capture that knowledge from experts, how do you encode it, how do you check for errors or unexpected situations, how can you update/maintain the process knowledge, etc.?).

For example, here's IBM's heavyweight entry: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/integration/wps/

haliax2• 16 years ago

Do you know of any good texts/articles/case studies on the subject? This sounds pretty interesting.

fragmede• 16 years ago

Why not? There's an entire industry built on using humans instead of doing said scripting. What do you think a 'temp' does?

andymoe• 16 years ago

Think of a bunch of people using <your favorite app> in a way that makes you cringe. They doing it this way over and over without thinking about the problem they are trying to solve. "It's always been done this way..." You cringe enough and figure out the actual problem they are trying to solve and make it so when you watch them work you cringe just a little bit less. You could be the IT guy for a small business, at a bank or a consultant for a large financial software firm. The idea is basically the same. Rinse and repeat and most of all Enjoy... </jaded>

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