Christopher “Moot” Poole's testimony in the Palin email hacking case

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/poole-testimony.pdf

by eof • 16 years ago

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nirmal• 16 years ago

Typo on page 13. "Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend..."

nailer3• 16 years ago

'A. That is a misspelling, actually. It's Anime & Mango.'

I don't think that's what Moot said. The more worrying one is where he's asked to explain what the significance of '.jpg' is.

jrockway4• 16 years ago

Why? The testimony is for a jury of laymen, and they need to understand as much as possible to properly render a verdict.

a2tech• 16 years ago

Lots of internet misspellings in the testimony. Reading this really makes me think about how foreign the culture on the Internet is to most people-and how indecipherable.

gwern• 16 years ago

That was incredibly dull and a complete waste of 10 minutes.

powrtoch3• 16 years ago

I was about to ask why this is on HN, but really why is it anywhere except at the bottom of a stack of court proceedings? I have a hard time imagining anyone reading through this and not wanting those 10 minutes back.

bdickason• 16 years ago

I think the fact that some judge/prosecutor would be pulling up 4chan in a courtroom and pointing out pages fascinates me. 'Mr. Moot can you please verify that this hentai tentacle rape scene is in line with the 4chan rules' etc :)

Not a big 4chan fan myself but the idea of website owners dealing with such questionable/taboo content in a court of law is quite interesting.

steveklabnik2• 16 years ago

It's interesting to see a world that I rarely interact with (law) interacting with a world that I often interact with (server logs, rickrolls, and /b/). While the actual content wasn't that interesting, it's the meta that is; how does a lawyer explain /b/ to a judge? What do they consider important? Where does the abstraction leak, what gets oversimplified, and how well is moot able to explain it?

keefe• 16 years ago

it was rather entertaining in a surreal kind of way...

it's also interesting to note that 4chan is pretty questionably legal and it's interesting to see how it is addressed in court, e.g. it's really clear you need to have a prominent rule page!

jrockway4• 16 years ago

Yet another site that logs way too much information. I have a dream that some day, web logs won't include the remote IP address.

In the mean time, use Tor.

Also:

Q: The last column, the user agent string, does that show which browser, operating system, and other information that this particular user and that date and time had on their computer.

A: Yes.

No. It shows what advisory string their user-agent chose to tell the web server. Please tell me that something like this is not evidence in the government's case.

powrtoch3• 16 years ago

I'm betting that it can be evidence against anyone not informed enough to call them on it.

And let's not forget that IP address evidence assumes, probably among other things, 1) No Tor 2) No Proxy (chains) 3) No one else under the same NAT umbrella 4) No ISP address allocation weirdness.

jrockway4• 16 years ago

Yeah. I read the cross examination and didn't think the guy's lawyer did a very good job

It did inspire me to watch anime with mangoes, though.

radu_floricica• 16 years ago

Too much information? Given the muddy waters moot swims in, I'd say it was nothing unexpected, and less then feared.

Much more interesting is that he didn't provide the IP address... but the FBI requested activity logs for that particular IP. Wonder how they got to know it?

Marticus• 16 years ago

It wasn't as interesting as I thought it was.

But still kinda cool - as someone else said the culture is so vastly different. Wanting a definition of "who" Rick Astley is cracked me up, even if only "for the record."

But nonetheless, what gets me the most is, in fact, how vastly indecipherable some of this must be to the jury, regardless of explanations. And the explanations themselves might possibly require many minutes / hours of defining to accurately represent the case.

Makes me wonder what they do about really complex technological cases.

Christopher “Moot” Poole's testimony in the Palin email hacking case

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