Norway–European Union relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

by em3rgent0rdr • 10 years ago

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legulere• 10 years ago

I found this article to be quite good for showing what the EU-Norway relationship entails: http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/what-would-a-norway-styl...

digi_owl3• 10 years ago

One thing to keep in mind is that Norway do have the option to not implement various EU Directives. But the politicians are skittish about doing so, fearing EU sanctions.

The most hotly debated directive in recent history was the postal directive.

Norway could also have remained outside Shengen, except that there was an existing agreement with Denmark and Sweden (dunno about finland) allowing citizens of either to visit without passports. This agreement would have been ended had Norway not joined Shengen.

chvid• 10 years ago

AFAIK travel without passport in Scandinavia ended with the current refugee crisis.

eivarv• 10 years ago

The data retention directive was also pretty controversial.

nraynaud2• 10 years ago

Let's just say that Norway did not leave the EU slamming the door after decades of being the difficult child. I'm not sure this kind of agreement will be extended to the UK.

gkya5• 10 years ago

My impression is that the UK will have to face some border problems before negotiating anything with the EU. Scotland may want to secede, Northern Ireland may want to join R. o. Ireland, Gibraltar may want to move into Spain. And then the situation for many overseas territories of the UK will change, as they did gode some privileges from the EU.

secfirstmd2• 10 years ago

Northern Ireland wont vote to reunify in my lifetime. First, they received about 11 billions pounds a year in transfers from the UK budget, which the Republic could never afford. Second, the Unionist population would never vote for it. Third, and this is the bit most people don't realise - polls in the Republic nearly always are a No to reunification - we esp when the financial and security costs are considered.

DanBC• 10 years ago

Gibraltar may want to move into Spain

I can't see that happening. Gibraltar has had that option for years and they strongly reject it. It causes some international tension - Spain think they should have it.

For one tiny example there are Wikipedia ArbCom sanctions around Gibraltar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests... And there are many archives on the talk page. (For a thing with a population of 30,000 people and an area of about 6.7 km^2 that's a lot of discussion and sanction)

throwaway987611• 10 years ago

I'm afraid to say, that your impressions are incorrect.

Northern Ireland will not be joining Southern Ireland. They still see themselves as British first. Go over there, like I have and you'll see British Flags everywhere.

Also, have you see the situation in Spain lately? Gibraltar is staying put.

I do love hearing these fantasists hoping that the UK crumbles because it left the UK.

You do realise there are whispers within the STRONGER countries in the EU who are now thinking of having their own referendums?

The EU better be be careful as otherwise it's just France, Germany and a whole lot of smaller poorer southern countries and Germany goes bankrupt trying to bail them out!

Lets see what happens when Greece finally explodes!

protomyth2• 10 years ago

Gibraltar may want to move into Spain

Doesn't Spain already have a problem with part of it (Catalans) trying to leave? I also seem to remember some thoughts of kicking them out due to being in the same boat as Greece. I haven't really kept up on this news, just curious.

_9MOTHER9HORSE9• 10 years ago

On the other hand, the EU does not need free trade with Norway as much as it does with the UK.

nraynaud2• 10 years ago

The EU is not based on pure direct economical interest, it's also based on a dream. That dream really helped Germany during the reunification, helped some small countries in the east, and that dream did not really help Greece. But it's more than a pure cold economic union.

the84722• 10 years ago

The UK could probably get the norway deal. But that would leave a lot of those things in place that Leave was against while being a less beneficial deal than the UK currently has.

So to fulfill their promises Leave would have to negotiate something with fewer obligations than norway has, which most likely means also fewer benefits.

forthefuture• 10 years ago

I don't think Leave is particularly interested in fulfilling their promises.

GreaterFool• 10 years ago

AFAIK any deal has to be negotiated and ratified by all member countries. What are the chances that all members will be inclined to offer UK a better deal than it had when it was a part of the union?

TillE• 10 years ago

Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote.

There are a few details which differ slightly (you have to leave Norway after several months without finding a job, whereas the UK will merely pull your benefits), but I don't think that's nearly enough to satisfy the demands of those who wish to drastically cut immigration.

airesQ3• 10 years ago

Yes, for the UK case it would be an exit in name only.

But some in the leave side are for this (e.g. Hannan), with free movement and fees. They are openly conceding that having a tight control over EU migration is not feasible, and that it was an empty campaign promise (and keep in mind that UK does not have all that many migrants, Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, and others have more).

Anyway, maybe we will get deadlock. Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50.

vinceguidry• 10 years ago

Britain will refuse to invoke article 50 without a deal. And the EU will refuse to negotiate before Britain invokes article 50.

Article 50 invocation marks the start of formal negotiations. They can negotiate behind the scenes for as long as they can before political pressure compels them to pull the trigger.

digi_owl3• 10 years ago

Norway still allows free movement of EU citizens to their country, which was one of the primary reasons for the Leave vote.

If Norway didn't already have a free travel agreement with the rest of the Nordics i suspect it would have stayed out of Shengen.

NetStrikeForce3• 10 years ago

Schengen has nothing to do with free movement. Schengen means no borders and the UK has never ever been in Schengen.

secfirstmd2• 10 years ago

At least GCHQ will be outside the EU. Not that it matters and NATO collabortion won't continue.

peteretep• 10 years ago

That's ok, Germany are desperate to join FIVEEYES.

surfmike• 10 years ago

Norwegians pay for access to the common market (I think even more per capita than other EU countries), still participate in Schengen, and have no say in the EU.

Hardly seems like what the Brexiters wanted. But an arrangement like that might allow UK to be more free to negotiate trade deals with Asia and other parts of the world and have a bit more flexibility in their immigration policy than they had under the EU.

gabimaeztu• 10 years ago

I do not understand how British elderly doesn't see the damage they are doing to their younger population... It seems pretty obvious that even if you haven't been able to adapt to globalisation you should at least not interfere in the way of the newcomers

dingaling• 10 years ago

Globalization is orthogonal to what the EU has become, and whatever it intends to become.

Norway–European Union relations

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