MH370 Debris Storm

http://jeffwise.net/2016/03/10/mh370-debris-storm/

by curtis • 10 years ago

95 48 10 years ago

steve19• 10 years ago

"Given that after nearly two years only a single piece of debris had heretofore been found, it’s extraordinary that in the span of less than two weeks three pieces of possible MH370 debris have come to light."

I would think that would be expected. I would expect more than once piece would be carried by the same currents that deposited the first piece.

Additionally, now that people know where to look, they will be on the lookout. Nobody Venice Beach, California, for example, is on the lookout for plane debris, while I bet everyone on the Mozambique coast is.

hackuser• 10 years ago

What's more likely:

1) Missing pieces of a plane that disapeared and probably crashed in an unknown location in the Indian Ocean suddenly turn up near each other, lacking barnacles, etc.

2) Someone is sick enough to perpetrate a fraud to get attention or for other reasons.

In the case of very unlikely events, #2 is unfortunately always a serious alternative hypothesis.

wfunction• 10 years ago

Not that I know anything about the matter, but the photos look pretty convincing to me.

lololomg• 10 years ago

I'm no expert but I really don't think those photos looks like debris that's been floating in the ocean for 2 years.

anexprogrammer• 10 years ago

Going on what we know (sod all), it seems just as likely that the lack of barnacles is down to different materials between the pieces.

Maybe some pieces are too smooth or the wrong flavour? The photo with barnacles attached seems to show them aggregating on the framework and edges only, so maybe they just don't like the paint.

I'd expect a lot of parts to show up together due to the action of tides and currents.

huuu• 10 years ago

My first thought was that maybe breaker waves cleaned up the found parts just like in tumble cleaners.

madaxe_again2• 10 years ago

Barnacles tend to aggregate on pretty much anything - smooth or no. Talk to any boat owner.

The only reason they'd be barnacle free is if the paint is in some way ablative, and comes off in layers - which is how marine anti-barnacle paint works - it's very unlikely they'd lack them otherwise.

hanoz• 10 years ago

I'm no expert, but I've seen plenty of flotsam and jetsam on beaches in my time, and I can't recall seeing a barnacle on any of it.

aaron695• 10 years ago

Someone is sick enough to perpetrate a fraud to get attention or for other reasons.

The entire interest in the 370 is purely entertainment.

Missing planes, who's occupants are dead and we can learn nothing from are much more interesting than poor African kids, who are yet to, but will die of simple stoppable issues.

If someone faked this picture it's no more sick than this original interest. (And also unlikely, it's a boring punk)

BillinghamJ• 10 years ago

Actually the main reason that we're striving to find this plane is so that we can find out what exactly happened, in order to ensure it won't happen again to the other planes.

FAA regulations are written in blood.

reitanqild2• 10 years ago

While I see your point I guess I should refer you to the guidelines:

"On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

A lot of us find plane crashes are interesting for the same reasons that we read or watched detective stories etc at some point, only plane crashes and other real world events are far more interesting to me at least.

That doesn't mean we don't care about Africa. Some of us do and it might be helpful for you to know that to mea at least you come off as judging and not as someone I'd like to work with on those matters.

dzhiurgis2• 10 years ago

much more interesting than poor African kids

But that applies to anything that is not directly related to poor African kids, doesn't it?

You are not going to solve hunger by pouring ship fuel and airplane engineers into the pastures of Africa anyways.

I agree that MH370 story is entertaining though.

ekianjo• 10 years ago

So when you eat breakfast lunch and dinner do you spend 1 hour feeling sick to your stomach about all poor people suffering on Earth or do you have peace of mind like most of us do?

Arnt2• 10 years ago

As a software developer, I really appreciate the work the airlines and authorities put in after each accident.

I've read a couple of reports. Quite apart from the issue of saving people's lives, it's good to see the work of someone who someone takes bugs seriously. They never seem to say "let's see if it happens again", "maybe it was a one-off, let's reboot" or "let's upgrade, maybe it's fixed in the latest version".

The report I read most recently described a chain of seven mistakes and other problems, described which ones combined and how, discussed how each of the seven could be prevented and/or made less likely, whether each of the actions was likely to be a net improvement, and finally made recommendations.

IMO, those of us who work with bugs should read one of those reports every so often, just to see/remind us how an unlimited-resources, all-dials-at-11 incident post mortem looks.

melling• 10 years ago

You are understating the need so solve the mystery. The black box is out there somewhere. If enough debris is found maybe it will help investigators calculate the origin of the crash.

That thing where you're trying to shame people because they have interest in one thing while there's some horrible problem in the world needs to be solved, is a bit of an old troll. "We're curing erectile dysfunction while people are dying of other diseases. What's wrong with you people?"

We should give this troll a name.

dzhiurgis2• 10 years ago

By the same logic, if you are faking these, why not fake the barnacles then?

colejohnson66• 10 years ago

Fraudsters can be lazy

jorgecurio2• 10 years ago

where could it have possibly gone....was this the result of a suicidal pilot or just accident...it's boggling that we can track anyone anywhere but not a huge plane like this

sohkamyung• 10 years ago

Tracking, or finding an aircraft over a large ocean area is still not possible. As this article says[1], "About 85,000 square kilometres of the 120,000 square kilometre search zone has been covered so far." But if you match that against the map of the search area, you will see that even that huge search area covers only a narrow strip of ocean.

The plane may be huge, but compared to the earth, it is very, very small.

[1] https://theconversation.com/two-years-on-since-flight-mh370-...

jorgecurio2• 10 years ago

what makes it so difficult is it the underwater currents that carry the fragments below the sea? don't we have some xray view on our spy satellites?

retrogradeorbit• 10 years ago

What species of mollusc was found on the flaperon?

What is the habitat of that species?

How long does it need to be submerged for that kind of growth?

Why is Malaysia keeping this information secret? [ http://www.wsj.com/articles/france-looks-to-broaden-its-mh37... ]

yeukhon• 10 years ago

If we do find the plane, do we expect to find any human remains there? I always wonder about this for the sunken ships.

scottyates11• 10 years ago

Yes, there are human remains on sunken ships. You may simply google it. Caution： you may feel uncomfortable if you click the link. Here are some photos about the human remains on the sunken ships.

Respect people who left this beautiful world:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sunken+ship+human+remains&tb...

dmix• 10 years ago

You linked to a man-man sculpture, artwork off the coast of Mexico. Although other pictures in that search are indeed human remains.

farrokhi• 10 years ago

This is very interesting that "accidentally" all the parts have distinctive marks that can be linked to a B777 aircraft.

liotier• 10 years ago

In aeronautics, component lifecycle tracking is dead serious business - hence even some trivial parts are individually identified, much more than in any other industry.

dominotw• 10 years ago

You need to watch some air crash investigation episodes on youtube.

imaginenore• 10 years ago

If these pieces were on the shore for a while, it's normal that you won't find any barnacles on them. Walk on any beach that isn't regularly cleaned, you will find all kinds of marine garbage - pieces of plastic, rope, never any barnacles.

They do look suspiciously clean - 2 years in salt water under the sun. But I have no idea how good airplane paint is in resisting to either.

rogersmith• 10 years ago

MH370 = MH17

sakopov• 10 years ago

Wasn't part of the tail end found almost a year ago? It was such a convincing report and the odds that the part came off MH370 were very high. But then it got quiet and fell into the abyss. I don't want to dive into conspiracy theories here but something just doesn't seem right with this crash. Either there are plenty of hoaxers out there or something bigger is happening.

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