Swift, HTML and C++ make the list for languages and technologies in high demand

http://sdtimes.com/swift-html-and-c-make-the-list-for-languages-and-technologies-in-high-demand/

by jamescustard • 10 years ago

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dpflan• 10 years ago

A chart and the related data would be useful here.

reticulated• 10 years ago

Wholeheartedly agree. I couldn't find the source report - anyone manage to?

askyourmother• 10 years ago

Two recent startups I worked with in London are using C++14 as a main part of their architecture, in addition to Python, JS and Erlang. Its 2016 and performance is back in vogue.

For years we have been told, Developers are expensive, embrace frameworks, ignore the bloat, just ship quick, even if it needs a billion servers to run.

Both firms are building amazing products on very conservative hardware requirements, so they can scale if required, but they actually know and understand their full stack, and it shows.

One had started with too much Python and Go, before realising the error, the other took a detour into JVM country, before getting back onto the main roads with C++.

pjc50• 10 years ago

What field of business - finance?

melling3• 10 years ago

Go and Java aren't slow. The JVM is highly optimized and is competitive with C++ . I thought that was settled a decade ago.

rb808• 10 years ago

For regular business problems JVM is good enough. If you want compute or memory efficiency applications you can't beat low level, which is why OSs, databases, and big widely used user applications like Chrome/Excel/Photoshop are written in C/C++.

blub3• 10 years ago

Depending on the performance requirements of the problem domain and the definition of "slow" and "competitive" your comment could either be true or false, which makes it rather meaningless.

The matter has not been settled and will become more important if the industry decides that gaining developer productivity at the cost of software inefficiency is no longer worth it.

w8rbt• 10 years ago

With regard to speed and pure portability, neither are comparable to C++. Also, C++ is not a corporate controlled language like the others. It's an ISO standard. So there's no comparison to be made there either.

Corporate controlled languages do not allow developers to fully control the software that they produce. C++ allows this and it's very fast and safe (even safer since C++11).

Microsoft has C#. Google has Go. Apple has Swift. Oracle has Java. Which would you want to lock your software into? Also, most all of those languages (or at least the critical parts) are implemented in C++ (hotspot).

IncRnd• 10 years ago

That's a red herring. Java only appears as fast as C++ for workloads that don't require speed, e.g. human time vs. computer time.

untog• 10 years ago

I'm not so sure, that sounds like blaming outside flaws on a programming language. What would anyone be doing that Go, written properly, wouldn't be fast? As another poster has said, the JVM is also plenty fast when used properly.

Sounds like they went from Java with heavy frameworks to C++ with no frameworks.

Kurtz79• 10 years ago

C++ used properly will be always faster than Go or Java used properly.

In many applications the point is not to be "fast" but "as fast as possible".

CuriouslyC3• 10 years ago

I think this your mis-characterizes things a bit. The benefit of frameworks and highly dynamic languages are is that for early stage products, they allow you to rapidly iterate while you're finding a product-market fit. There is absolutely no reason to worry about performance when you are still counting active users in some multiple of thousands, and a large part of the product could potentially be rewritten at any time.

Once you have found a product-market fit and what you're offering has stabilized to a large degree, then it makes total sense to go back and rewrite things to improve performance and eliminate technical debt.

blub3• 10 years ago

The advice above is seductive, but wrong. Obviously one should look at performance requirements when developing the software architecture and check if various stacks fulfill them.

Ignoring performance is a gamble and in the worst case one might find that improving performance means rewriting everything.

melling3• 10 years ago

Objective C has fallen much more than Swift has risen. Is iOS development falling off?

icpmacdo• 10 years ago

Finding resources to learn modern ios development in objective c is no longer possible

hlfcoding• 10 years ago

If you look at NSHipster and other sources in the iOS community converting their code samples to Swift only months after its initial release in 2014, it says something about the pent-up demand for a nicer language than ObjC. Plus Swift seems to be designed for ObjC devs to have an easy transition, although slightly less dynamic (and unsafe).

Demand for iOS development could be tapering due to app market saturation; saw a post recently around here about that.

k__• 10 years ago

So Swift replaced Objective-C?

A friend of mine, who was a iOS dev from the beginning told me about this, but I didn't imagine it going so fast. He's a bit sad about this, because he did a few years of web stuff and wanted to switch back to mobile, now he fears his Objective-C skills are wasted.

melling3• 10 years ago

Programming in iOS is more about knowing the API's. Switching from Objective C to Swift is not difficult. With Swift there's actually less code to write. Compare the snippets in this blog:

https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/should-i-use-objecti...

SimeVidas• 10 years ago

And HTML pretty much includes JavaScript.

kalefranz• 10 years ago

Either the reporter or the Toptal report itself conflate percentage growth with absolute usage. Sure Swift has had huge growth--it's coming from nothing. JVM and python have huge market share; their numbers are just saturated and mature probably.

Swift, HTML and C++ make the list for languages and technologies in high demand

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