BIOS

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by pencil • 16 years ago

5 10 16 years ago

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i understand that BIOS is a small program written in some language and stored on a chip/flashmemory.can someone tell me how does this instruction written by us gets stored inside a chip made of transistors?how do they make the instruction get inside a chip made of silicon?

pencil• 16 years ago

i'am also interested in knowing what a microcode is {wikipedia doesn't have much on this} what's it written in ?

hga2• 16 years ago

(Warning, major simplifications here, and mostly from '80s knowledge of the field.)

Real microcode is below the level of assembly language. E.g. a horizontal microcode will potentially be controlling the function of each gate or sub-block in a microprocessor.

The clock frequency of a synchronous design is generally the time it takes to execute each microcode instruction. So one machine code op code may translate into several microcode operations to achieve the desired outcome.

Writing microcode is hard.

joezydeco• 16 years ago

I don't know what it's like in CS/EE courses today, but back in the day most computer architecture students had to create a simple microcoded-ALU and write both sides of the code.

Doing the microcode for those projects was kind of fun, I miss that kind of work sometimes. Now get off my lawn.

billpg• 16 years ago

The chips these days use flash memory which can be written into like RAM chips, except these keep their contents without power.

In days of old, ROM chips would be mass produced with their contents literally hard wired as an intrinsic part of the chip layout.

zitterbewegung• 16 years ago

You should take a computer architecture class at your college or at least audit it. It would help you understand how your computer works.

georgecmu• 16 years ago

You can learn how these 'chips made of silicon' store data by following links here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory#Types_of_ROMs

razerbeans• 16 years ago

This gives a general overview of how the BIOS works, but I'm not entirely sure if it goes as in depth as you may want it to. However, it should be a good starting point. http://mikeos.berlios.de/write-your-own-os.html (See "PC primer" paragraph)

godDLL• 16 years ago

Questions like this one should be on http://superuser.com/

This isn't HN material.

CyberFonic• 16 years ago

Most BIOSes are written in a mixture of assembly language and C. Have a look at www.coreboot.org if you want to get into more detail. The BIOS found in a typical PC is rather large, 1 MB is common.

The flash memory is programmed in the factory before being installed into the motherboard and can also be reprogrammed in the field. There are other technologies, such as JTAG which allow you to reprogram flash memories. In effect, part of the memory contains a very simple computer (if you dare call it that) which will communicate with an external device to perform the task.

Older technologies, e.g. EPROMs used high voltages (as in 12V vs. 5V) to program what was in effect a huge array of capacitors which could be erased by ultraviolet light. Before them ROMs were actually programmed by changing the manufacturing masks.

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