Do you think we are stupid?

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by pius • 19 years ago

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imsteve• 19 years ago

After watching the hype bubble that surrounded java implode, could you really blame us for saying yes?

davidw• 19 years ago

Rails got hyped, sure, but consider the resources behind Rails, and behind Java. I'd guess there two or even more orders of magnitude difference. To me, that indicates that as much as there was some hype, there was also a lot of substance, because the guys pushing Rails just don't have the money to push it that far with nothing to show for it.

jimbokun• 19 years ago

Java is on a very short list of the world's most used programming languages. This strikes me as another case of "people overestimate a new technology's effect over the next five years and underestimate its effect over the next 10 years."

Java did not replace existing desktop software. But it took over most enterprise web server-side development and in the process helped to make most enterprise desktop software development irrelevant.

So, perhaps the initial hype did not play out exactly as expected. But the success of Java does suggest the level of hype was justified, if misdirected.

bfioca2• 19 years ago

When I started using Java in 1996 - people looked at me funny and asked why I wasn't using C++. Everyone said Java was a fad and that it wouldn't scale.

bfioca2• 19 years ago

This entire argument frustrates me. Let me just go on record as saying this is childish. Hype or fad is never a reason to use or abandon any programming language or framework. Rails is useful, period. It has an extremely broad community of libraries and plugings, and it makes developing applications CHEAP and FAST and, yes, even GOOD. That's why people use it - so they can start startups lightning fast, or compete with the bigger companies who are using heftier languages and frameworks.

jawngee• 19 years ago

Yes, I think you are stupid.

Not because you use rails or ruby, but because you even care about such trivial bullshit. I use PHP everyday, but do you see me crying about the insane amount of whipping it takes on my blog? Well, I don't have a blog because I'm too busy building shit, but you get my drift.

Yes I think you are stupid because you are polarized on the issue to the point that you can't see any validity in an opinion outside your own. You are religious about something where agnoticism gets you paid better and more frequently.

Christian vs Muslim vs Jew == Java vs Ruby vs PHP vs ... I think the smarter people are the ones who can set aside differences and gleam usefulness from all things.

Sorry on a 2 day code bender so I'm a little disjointed in my thought process, but this is pretty close to how I feel about it. Apologies for the cursing.

sspencer• 19 years ago

+1 Hell Yes.

I am so sick of Rails advocates. Take a page out of Theo's book: "Shut up and hack!"

tbmcmullen• 19 years ago

And yet you're not sick of the, probably equal number of, idiots who can't seem to stop shouting inflammatory, misleading, and often -wrong- things about it?

Frankly, I wish both extremes would just kill each other off.

michaelneale• 19 years ago

Thank you, well said. Understand re code bender too ;)

rapind• 19 years ago

Who cares

samson• 19 years ago

Me thinks there's too much self love in the ruby community. Build more great stuff and you'll have done a better job of convincing me then with these weak arguments I keep on reading.

mattmaroon• 19 years ago

In what universe has Rails eclipsed PHP? It sure isn't this one.

icky• 19 years ago

The moon eclipses the sun, but it's still a lot smaller... :)

derefr• 19 years ago

Is there a Dark Side of the Rails? And is that in any way similar to the Wrong Side of the Tracks?

Do you think we are stupid?

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