wallygold

I've also done a visualization: http://www.darynr.com/kmeans.htm

Is that still the case when dividends are taken into account?

If I've held a share since 1999, in place of it I don't just have a share today: I have whatever I've done with the dividend payments that came in the interim.

Maybe. It can't help his self-esteem.

On the other hand the stock was trading around that price just a few weeks ago. He must realize how fickle the market is.

They've paid dividends pretty consistently over that time so if the price is the same (or close) hasn't it effectively appreciated?

This article puts the cash value of the 2004 special dividend at 32 billion. (And that's not to include the quarterly dividends that they haven't missed a beat on.) http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/21/business/technology-micros...

I disagree. When I hear/read about someone "making money" I interpret that to mean profit.

For example, if revenues were less than costs I don't think anyone would say that they made any money at all.

The efffort to save that money will be very different per country of origin, which is very unfair. A Brazilian engineer has 3X better wages than an equivalent Chinese engineer, due to different currency valuation and salary standards.

There's nothing stopping the creation of other paths to residency/citizenship. Everything suggested can be implemented without worsening anyone's situation.

I definitely wouldn't call it asinine because it doesn't help everyone equally.

Exactly. You can't run around threatening not to pay your bills and then be surprised when you are seen as less credit-worthy than before.

A credit rating is a measure of whether or not you will pay your bills. It's not a measure of your ability to pay those bills.

RAZRs are programmable. I've used some of the programs.

There's a difference between being able to program on a device and being able to program for that device.