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The only issue here is the amount of control Tesla has over “private property”.

It is not their car. They should have no say over the operating parameters.

I don’t have a problem with central organization of effort; mathematician by education; there a real efficiencies in material use and lack of redundancy.

The real problem is continued deference to old ownership memes; that a minority must be empowered due to past contract none of us were even alive to see signed. How do we know in real terms the truth given a past we can never experience?

Historical trends are one thing; that Bezos specifically is that special is another. This is the first period in history where the elders could hold power this long. It’s tacit ageism and everyone is too scared to say that to old people who would collapse in shock at the slightest whiff of real pushback, they’re so used to being coddled; they’re hardly a real threat.

Start telling your elders their past success does not give them ownership of the future.

Engineers could leverage their economic might via collective action; don’t open your wfh laptop today.

Updating the Upton Sinclair quote without the gender bias; it’s difficult getting a person to understand something when their investment portfolio valuation depends on them not understanding it.

Who are they if they’re not what they are now?

When you all stop posting on corporate forums and working their jobs, shopping their stores, I’ll take you all sincerely and seriously.

Especially in the NFT era of rug pulls. Globalization cannot run on fly by night grifters.

Anarcho-syndicalists that argue for workers councils run by experts basically got that but it comes coupled to outdated story of ownership.

In real terms the logistics and infrastructure are determined by experts but with the extra steps of getting validation from financiers who have no experience with the engineering methods, but their name is on some paperwork somewhere saying “they own that”.

I am cool with centralization effort to minimize duplication of effort. Not the kowtowing to some financier who lucked into money in the past in unrelated business, picking and choosing what I work on today as an engineer with nearly 30 years experience ranging from hardware design to kernel hacking, onto web app stacks with everyone else.

The ownership story is political double speak and corrupt expropriation of agency; replacing pols has improved economic gains for public and flushed corruption: https://www.nber.org/papers/w29766

Devils advocate; I ditched video games, TV, mindless social media, internet scrolling, but kept the daily 420 and coffee (caffeine is a psychoactive too) and I get more technical work done than ever.

In the end the weed makes what I’m doing feel more interesting. Media is designed to be interesting; together, too much stimulus.

Like remote or in office, it’s too subjective to say what is exactly right or not for others.

They could officially ask, to lend weight to passing the bill, it passes, take money, never build.

See Wisconsin and Foxconn.

No. Not when the forum would flag open discourse because traditions dictate certain emotional tones are forbidden.

I don’t consider metaphorical sticking fingers in ears over colloquial language a sign of maturity. Social media moderation fosters thought ending behavior more so than “foul language.”

The result is what conforms closest to expectations.

People born in Germany speak German.

That we need to “create” the idea of a “nudge effect” when it’s clear people take on commonly encountered social behaviors is bizarre.

Cognitive experience is a for loop with memory; for time spent in situation X, memory forms at rate Y. Social science solved.

Social science derives all it’s conclusions by studying the same old physical world as physical science. It’s restatement of science customized to cultural tradition. It’s cultural tradition to over hype our specialness selling books and big ideas, when the math is the same everywhere. Creating cultural objects of obvious math is a commodity now.

I can’t help but see social science as humans attempting to modernize memory of imperialism and religious belief embedded by prior experience.

Think of how popular it became as a field in the last 50-100 years as the populace became less religious. The US adult population recently crossed a threshold where <50% believe in higher power now.

No science gives social scientists higher powers of forecasting human future, yet we took the ideas and applied them with the same conviction some believe in gods, in the same way; a network of randos spreading their gossip, wrapping it in technical jargon biased by past ignorance.

Consider how much of this work was being leveraged against an ignorant public with no opt out button, via print and TV. How is that informed consent?

Social media comes along, upends those forms of media, creates a new meta awareness we lived in a society policed by high minded but normal people. That awareness means we can opt out of being influenced by intentional nudges, same as we opt out of believing in intentional nudges to abide higher powers.

Social science “worked” when the masses were unaware it was happening to them. As the public has become more aware of how it works, it’s all Soylent green; just people.

Because you’re using the library’s we have today; they don’t make the unknown you encountered easy.

What about the ripples from “enough people” losing their jobs?

Covid and the logistics whiplash have done nothing to embed in people they’re just one of seven billion. Each still acts like the king of their own mountain. It’s pretty sad.

You have no say over your place in a future society that appears keen to rug pull the masses lives from under them.

That’s the last 10% they left on the table. That last 10% makes up 100% of legit science.

“Oh it was decided with bad reasoning. We can fix it now.” — bureaucratic apologists

“We could have acknowledged it was bad reasoning in a legal context but not a human rights and that a fix would just create the same status quo and left it.” — sane people

Agreed; this was a political flex to remind the proles grandpa is still sitting in the corner rambling nonsense.

And then you get posts from experts like you convinced there’s really some big picture goal to technology; that you’re not just optimizing for employment yourself.

Did you bother asking OP if their selection criteria is too restricted or assume based upon a single post highlighting one criteria?

Really curious how it is air gapped commentators are able to intuit the real sequence others have adopted with so little information. That’s a pretty amazing power.

How many times has Detroit, housing, and finance been bailed out?

They’re all operating on magical money because money is a shared hallucination. They legalize bailouts and complain about the debt but never mention the future can just say, eh, fuck those dead peoples bullshit.

The bias you seem to not realize you’re hung up on is society looks nothing like it did 100 years ago. In another 100 they won’t give a fuck about any of this.

If we take away the money, people still need to do shit if they want to survive. Fuck their money, do weird shit. Let the olds take it to the grave.

Of course not, you don’t want to think in terms that do not align with your experience and propaganda addled brain.

The Fed was just saying they’re trying to get wages to stop going up; aka CEOs tossing more money at people, and trying to get people to save.

It’s gaslighting while ignoring the obvious trend; decades of CEO pay/growing wage inequality have lead normies into high inflation despite being told paying workers more would be the cause.

The powers that be are not dumb; they intentionally peddle narratives contrary to their intentions all the time; Roe v Wade for example. They’ll conveniently ignore the status quo of paying them more deflating our buying power because barely 90% of country is college educated and won’t question the hierarchy defined for them their entire lives, and the educated are outnumbered so they just play along.

I don’t know how it can be anymore clear; decades of doing what we were resulted in the situation we find ourselves; JIT logistics only the elite can thrive in.

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CEO pay in 2021 went up 18.2% in 2021 and inflation is through the roof. Rich people wealth has exploded and inflation is through the roof as a result. That whole talking point is a scare tactic but inflation is through the roof and normal wages are in the toilet.

Typical humans would save the money to live on through daily expenses.

CEOs spend on big projects with inflating costs, circularly inflating costs.

It’s simple arithmetic and a whole lot of propaganda the rich are the best. Really the masses are just poorly educated (<13% have advanced degrees).

Worker insecurity is a real and intentional thing: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/27/business/job-insecurity-o...

Appeals to the authority of other nation states. Weak.

I don’t mind going there; none of you are important enough that anyone else should be forced into being on guard for you.

Here’s a more interesting idea; what if we intentionally created less need for militarization. I like how instead of targeting capitalism you veer towards militant protectionism; more of the same from well financed property owners. Boring.

Be careful with “we live a society”. Brain dead chants have a way of being used to prop up some atrocious shit. “We live in a society where lynching minorities is acceptable!” is not so long ago.

Why not just bring on the inevitable end of humanity and blow it up. End the dumb charade a bunch of apes are not just fooling themselves.

Yeah my kids don’t owe serving your sensibilities.

Stick to your day job. Human personalities and social networks are not yours to dictate.

All the risk is distributed among the population; failure on the part of the corporation means the real resources and energy used prior to failure are lost to others, and plenty of instances of a business failure being given another shot with extensive capital infusions is common.

Physical laws don’t care about human philosophy.

I don’t actually care what you think is “silly”. I never used evil, you inferred.

There’s no greater good, no higher purpose; what’s happening is unchecked exhaustion of resources. Call it good, evil, silly; personally I see such arguments as a thought ending cop out. At best, acquiescence you have no power to change things so you toss your hands up and call it some adverb.

Human agency gives rise to economic observation, not the opposite. But their observation after the fact has been leveraged by lawmakers to dictate agency valuable to politicians.

The public has neither authority or intelligence to falsify it; so yeah it’s essentially the same “believe us cause you have no choice” thinking.

So we end up with specialized collective agency capture based upon the obvious; humans do things. May as well convince them there’s a very specific reason (nation state pride and success) built upon outdated philosophy.

Economists get the order of operations of their math right. They’re just not saying anything that’s mathematically interesting. It’s daily life logistics.

Fake social media accounts are linked to instigating the Zack Snyder JL cut, fraudulent asset value statements come up all the time when it comes to Trump and friends. The valuations economists rely on are made up. May as we’ll be magic.

Kings of old could not go buy Wagyu at the super market.

We don’t need the patronizing and pontificating of the past to see some people do real work producing stuff and services and some use a pen to claim a portion for themselves.

Ye olde English gibberish to make sense of that is unnecessary. Physical reality does not operate on human philosophy.

Problem with such theories is people are making the choices as to what laws and interpretation of them are, not magic.

The people in charge have gotten much richer than average people.

That’s not magic or unexplainable. It’s explainable in very easy terms; humans are taking advantage of other humans.

Sorry; the magical thinking must stop. It’s people intentionally designing policy to empower them at others expense: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/27/business/job-insecurity-o...

Economic theories are just another form of “god spoke to me, and said for every 10 widgets you produce, I own 9 to exploit for myself”.

It’s just people being biased and manipulative for their own gain.

Edit: asset valuations are often self reported and inflated to fake wealth. Fake social media accounts influence millions in spend, faking public interest. What economists are measuring is illusory.

Decades ago, Mitt Romney and crew once made employees build the stage he stood on to announce they’re all fired.

Seeing employees as nothing more than a cost center is not new.

Unions were busted, pensions ransacked, through decades of leveraged buyouts, intentionally torpedoing worker savings.

This was no accident; in the US, just like Brexit, it was intentional on the part of business and legislators. Consolidated power over agency is their goal.

We have two options; intentionally iterate away from this society or it will collapse for SOME reason; bigotry, environment catastrophe…

Physical laws do not give a fuck about our philosophy. Accept figurative death, cowards.

Steal from people who intentionally changed the rules to deflate our wealth. The laws and their interpretation are no accident.

What this debate is is deference to the elderly or the youth.

Tacit ageism against the future or well reasoned action against the past.

Gramps; you had a good run. Bye.

Edit: I have an MSc in elastic structures, used to work in high powered switching equipment. I understand rates of change in high energy systems like a planets climate. This is not an emotional argument from a place of ignorance.

Believing something about the far past does not mean they’re unaware everyone else today is keeping them fed.

Only 4% of the US population hunts for themselves anymore. There are only 800,000 sworn LEO in the US (including Feds). Only 13% of adults have an advanced degree while the population response to polls is 30% or more possess such a degree.

Even today our daily beliefs of our society are off from “truth”. But direct collaboration is easy to see. It calls into question the value of social story and theories, imo.

The beliefs they implant are always “wrong” and yet society keeps on going.

No matter the cost to real people in the future. Aren’t you a real humanitarian.

I don’t care either way; all I was calling out that solving the problem generating more industrial waste is contributing to the problem.

Your real issue is with physics not me.

On the one hand, you claim my choices have no consequence and on the other if I choose to ignore suffering, I’m part of the problem. Industrial solutions create suffering and death through accidents, toxicity… just creating more of the same suffering.

You have a real issue with basic logic. Pound sand; your tough sounding words don’t wave off that physics makes it all impotent rage.

Enjoying watching all the work rot and millions suffering and dying around the world anyway.

True; my choices alone are not. I am one is seven billion making similar choices though; that adds up.

Your insistence you live in a bubble and have no impact on others is what’s turning people away from Federalism; people who don’t know you don’t feel obligated to coddle your sensibilities, hence the down votes.

Machines to gather resources to build factories of machines for workers to drive to, their cars needing a similar concept to exist, to build ACs is a huge part of their problem.

Physical laws of the universe are well defined at this point.