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I don't think there's a lot in it to be honest between vendors. They are all cheap garbage with lurid ass chunks of metal and artwork designed by a 5 year old stuck all over them.

And there's one thing you can NEVER trust and that is objectivity from gamers when looking at failure and reliability statistics. It's one huge cargo cult.

Notably my kids both have Ryzen 5600G + MSI B550 boards with no problems.

The warning in this case is hire security people who actually have a clue and include vendor software in their risk assessment.

Literally every time I see stuff like this go down, the security software had exactly zero engineering research put into it whereas everything else did.

If people did this, CrowdStrike would either not exist or look completely different.

Yeah this is still second hand information though and there isn’t any data still. There may be confounding factors.

Lots of speculation that is all.

Someone (at intel) needs to get an incident management process around this and start doing some proper comms.

I would never buy an AMD machine again after my last Ryzen 3600X. So many issues. It had to be power cycled 2-3 times to get it to boot. Memory corruption issues and stability issues galore. Not overclocked. Stock configuration. Decent quality board and power supply. Just hell.

Swapped board out assuming it was that. Same problem. Turned out to be the CPU which was a pain in the ass getting a warranty replacement for.

Ended up buying a new open box Intel 12400 Lenovo lump off eBay and using that.

I hear a lot of anecdotes and noise from YouTubers around this but little to no actual data or analysis. I am a skeptic until I see concrete data. That covers both the mobile and desktop issues.

Observations so far are limited to:

I have seen actual evidence that some W680 boards have been shipping with an unlimited power profile which will toast a CPU fairly quickly. As to who’s fault that is and if this correlates or is casual to the rest of the reports I don’t know.

My own Asus B760M board shipped with an unlimited power profile. I had to switch it to “Intel Default”. This machine has been under heavy load with no issues so far.

When I have done research I have only found people reporting this on custom build systems or low balling “servers”. I haven’t found any viable big brand system failure reports yet (Dell/HP/Lenovo etc). While some of this might be statistical failures I’d like to see configuration eliminated from the data as a cause first.

I think it would be rather nice at this point if Intel produced their own desktop boards again with their own tested BIOS. So we have something viable to compare against a reference system rather than the usual ugly junk shifter outfits or big brands. A fully vertically integrated component PC would be a nice thing to have again. They just worked!

I don’t think I’ve ever searched for anything in either of those. I usually google what I want and look for reviews, mostly ending up on Reddit. Then I search for that app on the store.

This is the same with the Play Store and windows store. And physical stores.

Never go into a shop unless you know what you need otherwise you’ll come out with something you don’t need.

Yep. Some of the garbage I've seen out there is shocking. It scares me.

Then I try and get fractional scaling working on Wayland with my NVidia card and want to gouge my eyes out with frustration that after a decade I still can't do what I can do on a closed source thing that came free with my computer. Actually make that 25 years now. The enterprise crap while horrible, actually mostly does work reasonably well. Sometimes I feel dirty about this.

Quality is therefore relative to the consumer. The attention is on what the engineers care about with Linux, not the users I find. Where there's an impedance mismatch there are a lot of unhappy users.

This is not about product quality.

This is marketoid head-shitting influencers selling garbage to people who have no idea what the fuck they are doing other that compliance box ticking to cover their paranoid vendor induced psychosis. They have no idea about threat modelling, no idea about how an operating system even works. Using the CIA triad, they traded off AVAILABILITY entirely, CONFIDENTIALITY partially by sending every fart a system makes to some cloud company for some false sense of INTEGRITY that the vendor does not even guarantee. In fact I've found fuck all evidence that the product actually does anything at all in a correctly layered security architecture.

This is the diametric opposite of a security proposition. A house of cards built on lies and incompetence. Literally this product is the definition of malware. It egresses data you have no control over. It has built in remote command and control that can take you out. And it runs completely arbitrary code in ring 0 (clearly written by a blind monkey)

I called this ENTIRE thing in March 2023 as a critical business risk and the above people steamrolled it. Literally I have the objections recorded and I'm going to use it at this point to steamroll them the fuck back.

It doesn't matter if it's made of shit if people buy it. It happens to be made of shit though.

I am done with this now. I am so fucking done.