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That stat IS in that article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_females

"In a 2000 research article from the Home Office, in England and Wales, around 1 in 20 women (5%) said that they had been raped at some point in their life from the age of 16 beyond.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_males

"The same study found that approximately 1 in 21 men had been made to penetrate someone else, usually an intimate partner or acquaintance."

This is completely in line with original claim, "have been forced into sexual intercourse against their will". Wiki page does call this rape when it comes to women, but not when it comes to men.

It's becoming the norm in some communities. For example, Mozilla/Rust has a lot of people like that, and one of the core team members has contributed to #hnwatch Twitter tag linked below.

People from that circle were proposing the idea of creating 'black lists' to make people unemployable for political reasons; they managed to get Brendan Eich expelled from Mozilla; they're pushing for "Codes of conducts", which again aim at expelling people from open source communities for political reasons - eg things they said in completely unrelated places, like their own Twitter feeds (see "Opalgate").

Also see PronounGate, DongleGate, past scandals at Github (meritocracy rug, Julie-Ann Horvath departure), discussions/scandals around CoC/"Contributor Covenant", etc etc etc.

To you and other people in similar situations:

https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists

a community of (and for) people dealing with similar problems.

(Not diagnosing your mother, but, let's say, a lot of actions look familiar)

The article quotes JAH's email as saying, "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore,

and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this.

What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the

hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I

brought this up to male coworkers, they didn’t see a problem with it. But for me it felt

unsafe and to be honest, really embarrassing. That was the moment I decided to finally

leave GitHub."

From the HN discussion when this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408492

Article in question: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/15/julie-ann-horvath-describes...

There have been a bunch, actually.

First one I can recall was the meritocracy scandal, where they tried to put a rug promoting meritocracy, and their in-house feminist Julie-Ann Horvath (nudged by her friends) complained in the general sense of "meritocracy is bad since it's racist and sexist". The caved in and removed the rug.

Said Julie-Ann Horvath later got in a fight with a (CEO&founder)'s wife, left the company and made another huge scandal. She accused the company of sexism and sexual harassment (independent investigator found none, and other female Github engineers said there was nothing wrong), accused a co-worker of systematically removing her code from repos since, I quote, "I wouldn't let him fuck me" (independent investigator found that he was actually fixing her errors), and that CEO's wife overstepped her boundaries and used company resources for her own projects [1] (independent investigator found that to be true, and CEO stepped down).

JAH also complained of terrible sexual harassment - that is, men looking at women spinning hula hoops. Women did not complain, but JAH got offended on their behalf anyway.

In the end, she left with a loud door slam, smeared a bunch of Github people, and in general had a huge meltdown on Twitter, as you do.

Then, as mentioned, there was a bunch of scandals where people had their repos removed (like C+=, a language satirizing the more, uh, out-there ideas expressed by the feminists; or a few repos related to GamerGate).

The latest in a series was a repo threatened with removal (or removed?) for using the word 'retarded'.

Then they added a CoC endorsing anti-white racism and anti-male sexism: "Github's new Code of Conduct says "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." and will not act on "reverse" racism, sexism, etc." [2]

Well, at least we have BitBucket, GitLab et al.

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[1] That's one empowered woman! What's not to like here? - TA

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3fpnuw/githubs_...

Exactly. It's an outrage machine, people who participate mostly want to get their daily fix of feeling that they're fighting for a good cause - and if you lay low for a few days or a couple of weeks, few if any will be persistent enough to bug you after that, as the focus will shift elsewhere.

You may or may not want to issue a polite and carefully-worded statement, but don't cave in - something like "we've heard you and understand your position, thanks for letting us know".

It might be different when the issue is used in intra-project political fight (like two companies competing for control over the project), but for your average Twitter raid that should be enough.

Do not engage further, do not fight them, they are just self-righteous trolls - so, just don't feed them.

Similar concerns (with more examples) have been raised in CoC discussion over on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/3abyva/a_code_of_co...

If we go on with your analogy, QA report would look as follows: "Your piece of shit program burned down the whole fucking server farm, you useless assclown! You belong in jail!", where the real bug was maybe a crash. That's not a good, or even acceptable QA report, I'd say.

Look, if you think saying "men are rapists" is not a problem, there's not much to discuss here. Before that point I had my doubts - okay, they're self-righteous hateful hypocrites, but maybe they're right? I DO know there are problems that women face - maybe they know something I don't, and I should try harder and listen to them?

After that I just noped out.

And, BTW, their inability to reflect on their action, admit mistakes and apologize is another huge red flag. (I haven't seen any examples, at least - please let me know if you have any, I'd be very glad to see them)

And FWIW, I didn't downvote you.

Since more recently published court documents have shown this to be a rape and domestic violence arrest

Wanted to ask you for a link, went on and found one myself:

http://ia701204.us.archive.org/19/items/gov.uscourts.ord.115...

Agreed. The problem is, they exaggerate and twist the truth, spread hate, unnecessarily antagonizing people, and actively push away those who try to reach out to them trying to do something.

PPS Sorry for screwed up formatting in links. Edits do not go through for some reason - here's a better formatted version:

[1] https://twitter.com/shanley

[2] https://twitter.com/ashedryden

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=codahale

[4] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/451779905475186690

[5] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/446375139488186368

[6] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/446376327218622464

[7] https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024

I believe he was referring to the top two receivers, Shanley [1] and Ashe[2].

These two are a part of the group of very aggressive feminists; there's no official 'group' to speak of (AFAIK), just a network of people supporting each other.

Just to give a few names - Alex Gaynor (member of PSF board), Jacob Kaplan-Moss (yep, Django ex-BDFL), Coda Hale (HN/codahale, see his last messages here on HN [3], they're just about Shanley and Gittip), HN/steveklabnik, etc etc

A few highlights by Shanley:

"Men are rapists" [4]

HN's Sam Altman reaches out to women asking what he could do; Shanley reacts: "i'm not insulting you, i'm fucking EDUCATING you. so shut the fuck up and/or pay me, preferably both." [5], while refusing to do anything for HN, not even meeting anyone in person [6]

They've been either involved or voiced (shouted, actually) their support to whoever was involved in recent scandals with feminism - Adria Richards @ PyCon (I believe Alex Gaynor helped to make this event as public as possible), pronoun scandal (Alex Gaynor, again, was the author of RP that started the whole thing), Paul Graham misquote (Jacob KM speaks out [7])... I could go on.

But, basically, a bunch of very aggressive people, who claim to work on solving the problems women face, but actually (IMO) are just making the whole thing worse.

And, back to the subject, seeing them on top of gittip definitely doesn't help the project. Which is said, that's a great idea and I loved it when I saw it.

[1] https://twitter.com/shanley [2] https://twitter.com/ashedryden [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=codahale [4] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/451779905475186690 [5] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/446375139488186368 [6] https://twitter.com/shanley/status/446376327218622464 [7] https://twitter.com/jacobian/status/416719991963009024

PS Oh, this just in. Shanley on how companies can increase diversity: "Hire me to be your diversity consultant I will help you quickly close down your business to make room for better ones"

https://twitter.com/shanley/status/474013765252292609