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I was with you after watching the Maher video, but Dore is operating on false assumptions. Vaccine passports won't "track wherever you go for the rest of your life". Getting vaccinated doesn't "only protect you". Stopped watching after barely 30 seconds.
20 minute video, I'm sure he's going to say stuff. I'll even say that I tend not to agree with him on many things. He's a bernie bro and I'm certainly not.
But the point I was making, the shit going down in Canada is real and hard pill to swallow.
If you wish to ignore jimmy dore, fine. Did you read the article?
There will be many history books written on what has happened and is about to happen. I hope I get to read them, maybe I will even write one.
This will be an impossible subject to wade through due to the very charged reality of what has gone down. Preconceived perceptions are broken.
I respect Bill Maher's opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM
I respect Jimmy Dore's opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNnGdv8ceM
One of the best objective timelines I have read on this subject to date: https://quillette.com/2022/02/21/the-ottawa-trucker-protest-...
Here's a constitutional lawyer confirming this story:
https://twitter.com/ikwilson/status/1495841230315560962
Sorry but you are the one in the echo chamber.
Is this actually true? According to [0] "The Declaration expires after 30 days unless an extension is confirmed within specific timelines by both the House of Commons and the Senate.". I don't see how this would grant the government permanent powers unless the Emergencies Act gets renewed in perpetuity.
This is true. They have frozen the bank accounts of hundreds and you cannot do anything about it. You never got due process, there is no redress from the courts because you dont have a bank account to hire a lawyer.
This is the risk in protesting. Authorities have never been nice to protestors. Protesting has always carried the risk of assault and the loss of livelihood, wealth, freedom, or life. So before protesting, you need to ask yourself if what your protesting for is worth it.
This act has never been used before, it's predecessor was used only during serious war. This act being used against legitimate protest and then going forward banning all protest?
Like say you want to protest the government based on one side of the Ukraine war? You can't, that's illegal.
Say you want to go cover those illegal protests and report on it as a journalist? That's illegal.
Especially after the perceived police incompetence in the matter (by failing to dole out the standard ass-kicking-jail-fine punishment).
The police couldn't touch the protest for weeks not because of inaction but because your right to protest is a human right. They required the national emergency to remove our right to protest in order to label the protest illegal.
Might I add, I reallllllly hope this isn't what it looks like.
What led you to believe those things (the idea that the Biden Administration's claims of an imminent invasion were war mongering,
That's a great question, but I don't know if I know the answer. Overall, the US as world police, Obama and his nobel peace prize and 7 wars, and virtually entire existence of the USA they have been at war. It's kind of easy to see this point of view.
However, I would generally say our media was saying the invasion wasn't imminent. Largely reporting the Ukraine government denied any invasion was coming.
This I would say as well was the story across political lines.
The only thing really covered was how Trudeau was being actively excluded from diplomacy by Biden.
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1485652537105600516/phot...
Though not about Ukraine... our media covered how we got excluded from the security alliance as well: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
I dont think I ever read anyone in our media suggesting Biden lost respect or trust in Trudeau but now in hindsight...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-russia-c...
Ukraine is on the other side of the planet and they are singling us out to ask for aid that we aren't giving?
and the idea that Canada has aligned itself with Russia)?
Well as I said, a week ago I didn't believe in this at all. In my mind, it was a wackadoodle conspiracy theory.
Here's a 5 minute video from Jimmy Dore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdHF7J_ZZM
It is public knowledge that the liberal party are members of the WEF. So is Putin. Both Putin and Trudeau have done keynotes. They are publicly linked.
It's a whole different thing to say this is some evil cabal or some diplomatic war-supporting effort. For all I know Trudeau is a mole and we are still complete allies to the USA, if not protectorate.
But frankly, I look at the last week. Russia invaded and Canadians are under an unjustified national emergency with the government seizing bank accounts with no due process or redress. We do have political prisoners and global celebrities from across the political spectrum are calling out Trudeau as Hitler.
Your PM just got a taste of authoritarian despotism so it would make sense.
I'm going to show my left-wing bias but Bill Maher and Jimmy Dore both called Trudeau Hitler. They are objectively right, but what happened?
Canada had some ineffectual blockades, but at the time of the emergency being invoked. Those were gone. So the emergency was ONLY the protest in Ottawa.
The justification for the emergency is the military occupation and they used the givesendgo hacked data to analyze that around 50% of the raised money was from the USA. The allegation is that the USA is somehow doing this? This is absurd but why is Trudeau overreacting to all this? What did he fear?
I think I might know why he fears the USA.
Raising interest rates wont be far off if it is in collapse.
All I can do is point to the failed mandate.
If you believe 'The currency is in collapse,' then I suggest you take out as much leverage as you can have to your name (Maybe even raise capital from institutions using your above diligence) and do a Soros-Style short.
Literally everyone I know is doing this. Crazy mortgages and all money into inflationary resistant assets. Gold, Crypto, etc.
I don't know where he'll end up, but the ultimate objective is the humiliation of the west and subjugation of Ukraine.
Biden has said this was coming, biden has said this is complete invasion of ukraine. He's headed to kyiv.
I'm Canadian as well but I'm in Canada. I was led to believe the biden warnings of imminent russia invasion were war mongering and not true. Clearly not true anymore. Russia is an aggressor.
From my point of view, it seems Canadians are team Russia here, especially our prime minister.
I am coming around to the opinion that the real estate market isn't out of control at all. The absolute complete opposite of the author here.
Doesnt make sense does it? But what if the underlying problem throughout the article? The overall PRICE of housing.
What if housing is only just a metric of the problem? Debt is money. Debt is generally speaking housing and transport. They will show the problem quickly.
What if it's the currency that's collapsing? https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/central-bank-balance-she...
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/money-supply-m0
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/money-supply-m3
These are often disregarded as not showing the whole story, but what if they are showing the whole story?
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/private-debt-to-gdp
Canadians are 304% in private debt to gdp.
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt-to-gdp
Canadian government debt has jumped remarkably, but they also haven't been tabling any budget and reporting on this debt anymore.
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt
Yes you see that right, the basic income the Canadian government over covid basically increased debt by 50% in a single year?
Balance of trade has been negative since the financial crisis: https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/balance-of-trade
Lets not forget our subnational governments are also not reporting on their debt anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt
What if the currency is in collapse? The governments would know it and their immediate action would be to stop reporting their financials? Obviously tremendous debt held by everyone and government is the cause.
To edit my first post, Democrats have been calling bloody murder against the Russians for how long? Russians are who took Snowden, Russians are the ones who hacked the DNC to reveal Clinton. Democrats assert Trump is controlled by Russia. It seemed all so farfetched.
The moment Putin crossed border into the Ukraine... Putin is the aggressor here. ok well I'm listening to the democrats suddenly.
As a Canadian, boy am I ever uncomfortable finding myself seemingly at odds against the USA.
I sure hope the republicans can open discussion with the democrats over this.
What's disappointing is the response of european leaders so far. They have prepared a sanctions package against Russia which won't include anything in the energy sector! If not energy then what, Matryoshka dolls? and we are supposed to take them seriously :-(
Oh yes, they will talk tough but will ultimately not do anything at all. Sanctions will target nothing intentionally.
I'm certainly not saying I believe it but the conspiracy theory goes... Putin, Xi Jinping, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel/Scholz, Jacinda Ardern, Eman Macron, Justin Trudeau, and Scott Morrison are allied against the USA. With some other smaller allies.
Biden's warnings about imminent war in Ukraine, I thought was warmongering. What US president hasn't war mongered since I've been alive?
A week ago I did not consider this to be anything but a conspiracy theory. The current state of affairs in the last week? I am open to listen to more evidence.
Regardless of the conspiracy theory, sure does seem everyone is about to dunk on the USA.
We are also due for a massive bloody conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio...
I think it was right about when SSDs were coming out. I even kind of proved it.
I built this machine with latest greatest hardware in late 2010.
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 16gb ram 128gb SSD crossfire amd HD 5900 gpus
various upgrades over the years but 12 years later, that was still more or less within the specs of today. I got my moneys worth for sure.
What a brilliant dude. This is the correct approach.
This is something people tend go to prison for.
Woah, didn't expect that one.
Nope, you just misunderstand how sanctions usually work.
I'm certainly missing something.
My understanding is that bitcoin is specifically capable of bypassing sanctions:
https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctio...
As has been proven in the middle east, venezuela, russia, etc.
https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/06/can-bitcoin-end-i...
Here's my understanding of sanctions: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/10/economic-...
I'm not sure what I'm missing.
Though admittedly the one link touches on something real. Without sanctions, you kind of might open up the requirement for violence.
How does the Canadian government know the wallet addresses?
My assumption is that they are actively searching the financials of donors who transferred money to those addresses?
However, on the bitcoin side, what stops you from transferring your balance to a new address that isn't on the list? So this is about as effective as an ashtray on a motorcycle?
Users do the bulk of the flagging, your comment was almost certainly flagged by other users for, among other things, the obvious use of one of the oldest categorized bits of messageboard flame-baiting:
Well, I remain punished. While a very hot subject, not being able to discuss shocking and extreme issues based on 'flamebait' will only prevent needed discussion.
Here's the thing. I dont think Trudeau is hitler. My post does not call him hitler. If anything, we got to the point where both sides of politics are calling each other hitler. What an absolute disaster.
I'm very aware of our Charter, thank you very much. I recommend reading section 1 of the charter and understanding what reasonable means in the context of section 8 (not 6 as in your comment) from the Canadian legal perspective.
You're right, section 8.
There is to date no section 1 limitations or exemptions to peaceful assembly nor search and seizure.
Something that has been quite interesting is how many lawyers are frothing at the mouth right now. The emergencies act is going from academic to case law. Never before and there's clear charter right violations at the same time as the act being misused.
I should have said "agenda" rather than biased, sorry.
I am very biased. I believe in charter rights that have been enshrined and defined by international treaty.
The reality that after years of covid restrictions impacting our rights. It's time, like the rest of the world, to return our rights. This protest was inevitable at the reasonable end of the pandemic.
Trudeau should have taken advice from his own party and not vilified the protest quite wrongly. Spoke with them, provided a roadmap to the exit. Instead here we are with charter right abuses and martial law
Oh what do you think about the City of Ottawa planning to euthanize pets of the protesters? https://twitter.com/OttawaBylaw/status/1494306645274509316?
You are clearly biased and there's no possible way we can have a discussion. Enjoy your day.
Sorry you feel that way. Thanks, you enjoy your day as well.
Oh before you go, if you read the link I provided(section 46). The emergency act specifically disallows charter rights to be violated. So the accounts they have seized already? Under Section 6 of the Charter of unreasonable search and seizure? Ya the government will now be paying them compensation for violating their rights.
The complaint this time isn't about the police using unnecessary force to brutalize the public. Our complaint is that they haven't upheld the law, and are acting like 'buddies' with the people that they are supposed to be ticketing/incarcerating.
What law have they not upheld? Some microscopic municipal bylaws? Can a municipal government create bylaws to criminalize peaceful assembly? I guess I have my answer, the Ottawa police says no.
We just want the police to do their fucking job.
They have been so far. Great job Ottawa police.
Trudeau should have done what he did with the 2020 train blockade protests. Met with the protestors, had a dialogue about the issues (mandates) and come to a compromise conclusion.
I totally agree with you there. What happened to the Trudeau who would talk to anyone at town halls.
That's exactly what Melissa Lantsman asked right before Trudeau called her a nazi.
The phrase "declare martial law" is 100% misinformation and I wish Americans and/or other interested worldwide observers that do not understand our Emergencies Act that was invoked would stop treating it like so.
Woah bud. Here's the act here.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/FullText.html
This is literally the last resort. This is a 'national emergency that cannot be effectively dealt with under any other law of Canada."
Any other law. This is by definition Martial law. Martial law is the last resort. Which is why this has never ever been invoked before.
Just because the ministry of truth doesn't call it martial law is irrelevant.
Interesting. This is the first I've heard of that.
Gotta remember, Trudeau's father declared martial law during the october crisis. There were literally bombs going off, people dying, and I will say there was an emergency then. However, after that because of human rights abuses during that martial law. They scrapped it and replaced it with the emergency act which explicitly requires the government to maintain human rights.
Moreover, in the act, anything the government seizes must be returned to the people. The government doesn't get to just take your things.
The politicians writing the emergency act knew that future governments exercising the emergency act will infringe upon rights. So compensation is to be expected.
Now you have a problem. Any peaceful protesters can stick around and when they get arrested and removed from the area. They get nice retirement fund boosts from the government. So why would you even consider leaving if you want to leave?
When I was growing up here in the US, to me the Royal Canadian Mounted Police always had an aura of honor. Those days are gone. Civil disobedience in Canada today means you may have your money removed from your account by law enforcement unless you cave and fall in line.
The protesters have been quite public about how well the police have treated them. The police have at least to date done nothing wrong. So I would not go to the extent to say the RCMP's honour has been harmed at all. Those days aren't gone.
However, this is the problem. Since the police have not been able to end the protest because of charter rights. This forced Trudeau's hand to declare martial law, but any and all peaceful protesters whose rights are infringed will be receiving compensation as per the emergency act.
I guess this coincides:
https://financialpost.com/fp-finance/banking/banks-get-prote...
No court orders, no due process. Guess I'm just glad I'm not personally involved.
Another day, another answer to "what is Bitcoin good for?". I've occasionally seen Bitcoin outages of up to an hour or so, though.
Welp, I'll admit it when I'm wrong. Tell me more!