postcarnival

It's just a deterrent, part of a broader restrengthening of our nations' sovereignty imo. It sends a message. The amount of money is quite small when compared to real sources of government debt such as entitlements or the military.

Uh, did you support Obama and 800B he spent on infrastructure? Were you gonna support Clinton and her proposed $300B borrowed from the public for infrastructure (copying Obama's failed move)? If you could relax off the vitriol you might find that Trump's ideas could lead to an uptick in our economy. You might even give him a chance. Afterall, every newspaper and "economist" in the world predicted the market would plummet if he were elected and instead it rose to it's highest levels.

"in the electoral college" aka the system that elects our President where Trump won 306 to her 232

this made me think of you http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/03/im-democrat-and-im...

Yes, sort of like the belligerent democratic policies of the past 8 years that have us 20T in debt and counting...

If the wall is so "symbolic", what do you care if it's (further) built?

the middle class didn't vote Trump, they sat the whole thing out.

Wrong. Trump won the election in a landslide of the electoral college and likely a majority of the popular vote if you audit the southwestern states you abhor to filter out "undocumented people" who voted. That is also not taking into account that Trump primarily campaigned in a small handful of states due to the nature of our electoral system and likely would have won larger in a system without the electoral college. He won the rust belt states which voted Obama into office for 8 years. Attempting to strip his victory from him by making empty statements about the white working class does little to advance any sort of counter-argument to his policies or achievements.

First off, the southwest states are anything but "big ugly". The wall isn't an endgame solution it's part of a larger shift in overall policy to actually enforce our existing immigration laws which will also include booting people who have overstayed their visa. We should also look to revamp our immigration process to allow legal immigrants in faster (10 years is way too long) and incentivize those who will ADD to America to come here. I agree the wall is in some ways symbolic but it is functional as well. Google secured fence act as HRC was also on board with it.

sorry but this is so inaccurate... this thinking is what will prevent the democrats from winning for the next decade..

Simple solution: amend the constitution and ban the 14th amendments birthright clause. Are there any other countries on Earth that support people sneaking in to pop out a baby with the knowledge that said country will fully pay for and grant all rights and privileges to that child? No. It's not about compassion for immigrants, it's about reality and economics. We have millions of homeless and impoverished in our own backyards so let's stop incentivizing the poor of other countries to come here and get a free ride on the back of our middle class.

agree, I'm optimistic, he may be the best President ever...

So untrue. It's a thoughtless played out argument that holds no water.

Cracked down meaning we are not letting in illegal immigrants period. As far as the cost, you're incorrect so please do some research. The cost of building a border wall is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of taking care of the illegals each year.

If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again.

This is precisely why Trump won more than any reason. He made an appeal to the most important group in America, the middle class, and they agreed with him.

Would you be more agreeable if we gave amnesty to all existing illegals and then cracked down hard and built a much stronger border going forward? Where is the common ground?

Yes but since all of this fear-mongering is contrived by the liberal safe-space culture that has bred groups like this and not based in reality, we won't need to do any of that.

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree. There is a CLEAR distinction between who is here legally and who is here illegally. In fact we have specific laws that define precisely the difference. I don't feel sorry for people that have come here illegally, afterall they broke the law as their first action to get here. I think a big problem is that we've gone so long kicking the can down the road that people (esp in California) have become used to this status quo where we turn a blind eye. Now that Trump has come in and promised to actually enforce our already existing laws, the left has exploded in anger thinking "how could he?!". I have followed this election closely and I have yet to hear a single thing that leads me to think he is going to deport legal citizens of any background whatsoever or that he'll discriminate against them. It's simply untrue. DJT loves America more than any President in our modern time and our country will grow strong under his leadership.

This is sad, you really think Trump is anti-immigrant? If you paid half a moment of attention you would know he is anti-ILLEGAL immigrant which is perfectly reasonable in a sovereign country with immigration laws.

in 7th grade...

When did I "parrot" anything as truth? I said I find it highly suspicious. If you want to go down the path of "fake news" sites how about we talk about almost every major network that had Clinton winning in a landslide?

It might be so, but I also find reports of 3+ million illegals, 4+ million dead people, and other alleged acts of fraud to be suspicious... If we're going to go down that path it won't be pretty and it will likely involve more than just those 3 states. That said from what I read MI has already declared they've certified (recounted) their results so at this point Stein is just hustling money. I do wish technology could advance our voting systems on the whole though.. possibly block-chain based? but might require voter id! oye

Let's not pretend this is some altruistic "academic" endeavor to satiate some curiosity. This is a thought-out play borne out of the rejection of the election result by the left.

it will lead nowhere... but civil war would be interesting!

a precursor to the fall of the American empire

at our scale.

Care to elaborate what that scale is? We're using ember for a new app that expects very large traffic volumes on continual basis with realtime components etc... I've worked with ember for the past few years and opted to use it but always interested in hearing other viewpoints esp for "high scale"

actually I just read the replies and I see quite a few productive ones! just saying...

You're criticizing a presidency that hasn't even seen it's first day! All of the "evidence" also pointed to Clinton winning in a landslide, and then a stock market crash after he won... what happened? Ya. Relax.

thank you for a coherent post, I had to scroll to near the bottom past the liberal cesspool above to get to this...

so what, then let's offer solutions and try to get them enacted? why all the armchair bitching on this site as if everyone is an expert just because they write code? what he did is nothing short of monumental and he WANTS to help America. If everyone is so damn smart then get involved and suggest changes. It's not like he's a fucking robot that is going to sit back and count how many marble statues he has in his garden!

how do we know that "clean energy" hasn't been artificially propped up to begin with? if we can burn coal much cleaner and more efficiently then so what? let's do it if it's cheaper. We can still develop new technologies, that won't stop regardless.