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I agree with everything you said, but this movement has been going on for a long time but and has been very bad at... hisss.. marketing.

These are complex topics and people don't want to put in the effort to understand them so this needs some top-shelf selling power. And there's no money to be made. Just freedom (as in speech).

I had this exact same problem with the way i & my team approached our kubernetes clusters. I come from a network management background and in that space we all know of a tool called RANCID. A simple tool that logged into your switches/routers, made a dump & removed counters/oscillating data and stored it into CVS.

This predates infra-as-code.. it took years before someone wrote a clone that used Git instead of CVS

Made something stupidly similar for kubernetes: https://github.com/pieterlange/kube-backup

Classic mistake. Except it's not really a mistake, but a conscious decision by whoever was in charge at the time (with the main focus probably being growing the company and not hurting current customers).

How do we fix that though? Standards seem like the only solution but they either don't move fast enough or the early birds (in this case amazon, but another prime example is microsoft) become so entrenched they set the standard themselves.

My own answer up until now has been to work in linux and open standards jobs (now kubernetes) but this requires increasing amounts of effort.

Unstable over testing? Really? Why? :-)

I've been running stretch on a lenovo carbon x1 for the last 2 years and it's been one of the first problem-free experiences running linux on the desktop (linux user for.. 18 years). Really awesome. Thanks!

Nothing in life is free.

Quality software doesn't create itself out of thin air (yet, if ever). That means someone has to make an investment.

You don't have to invest in the upkeep of the foundation of your house, but if some bugs, say termites, were to sneak in you can't blame the original builders for the donated foundation.

Please downvote for the bad analogy.

Sorry, i wasn't trying to imply they shifted blame. But atlassian does bare the legal&moral burden of securing their product here.

Then you would be fine with the standard boilerplate "your data is secure with us"?

I'm happy they say this.. now i'd like some sort of proof :-)